grizz: what should we work on today? PedroG: we will have to make this a shorter one, if we still want to make some stuff at the Web site grizz: ok, but short list of stuff on website now :) PedroG: not sure I would like to continue defense grizz: ok grizz: what would X mean here? PedroG: penalty grizz: right grizz: if p has a real opening hand, how much can dummy have? PedroG: 22+16 PedroG: 38 = 2 grizz: yup grizz: so no way for 1NT to make, declarer can never get to the dummy PedroG: the problem is finding a fit PedroG: I see grizz: and every time he leads from his hand, he gives up a trick PedroG: so I should x? grizz: you have 10, so no game your way unless pd has extras grizz: and no room in his hand for extras, if E has real 1NT overcall grizz: so X is right, double and defend like a demon PedroG: the most p can have is 14 grizz: right grizz: so game is out of sight, unless freak distribution grizz: and you have terrific defensive hand behind the 1NT bidder PedroG: can u explain why? grizz: honors working together, and 8 9 and T cards, very valuable grizz: pd has 12-14 PedroG: toucing honor and middle cards grizz: you have 10 grizz: so 22-24 hcp grizz: not enough for game unless his hand is unbalanced, and fits well PedroG: I still have hard time seeing a hand like defensive values grizz: and if you explore for the fit, you give up the chance to X for penalties grizz: ok, let's revisit that issue after play is over, you will see PedroG: oki grizz: best lead? PedroG: well I could underlead S but don't like it, prefer it comes to me grizz: good idea PedroG: some thing with diamonds grizz: also, here is rock-solid rule PedroG: maybe p has somethig in his suit, I don't have a long strong of my own grizz: always lead partner's suit, unless you have a good suit of your own, AND outside entry grizz: exactly right PedroG: if I had one more honor in Spades perhaps grizz: right grizz: wait grizz: pd showed no interest in !c PedroG: with the switch grizz: he led a low !s, showing interest in !s grizz: right, that signal overrides the opening lead and the auction PedroG: oki, forgot that one :) grizz: he led the 3, a low spot card showing an honor grizz: 2 was in dummy grizz: so N has 3 or 4 grizz: so you don't want the suit to block in the N if he has only 3, and therefore must lead low now grizz: do we play udca or std? PedroG: this kind of thing I keep forgeting :) PedroG: std PedroG: I should be giving count right :( grizz: right PedroG: :( grizz: but N knows what the !d situation is grizz: did you see the !h signal on the last trick? PedroG: 6!h grizz: the one before that PedroG: but before u had played the 2!h grizz: right PedroG: high low grizz: so N has the A or K PedroG: ?? grizz: oops grizz: i forgot the signals already! PedroG: isn't count? grizz: count on declarer's lead only when following suit grizz: attitude when discarding PedroG: oki this is the suit u like grizz: right PedroG: :) grizz: completing the echo grizz: beware the block again, so lead low !h PedroG: yep what I was thinking PedroG: uffa PedroG: maybe I should have cashed the Spade first, before !h grizz: noooooooooooooo grizz: !s was your entry to !h after it was established grizz: must always think about entries, especially in NT PedroG: but if u had only 3 I would have lost it grizz: true, but no other entry to your hand grizz: and if you don't chance it, you don't get the !h trick PedroG: oki better risky it than no gain at all grizz: now let's look at the hand from the point of view of the auction again grizz: no !c fit PedroG: yep grizz: maybe !s or !d fit, can't tell yet grizz: turns out you have a !s fit grizz: if you play in !s, what happens? bilmanager (Lobby): => Club: !D!D iHELP Table in BIL will open in 20 min.Queestions answered concerning software in BIL and BBO No teaching All Newbies welcome !D!D grizz: lose !S, !h, !c and some number of !d grizz: since not enough trumps and entries to ruff them all PedroG: I lose 1 spade, perhaps 1!h grizz: so as the numbers suggested, game does not make PedroG: not game always partal grizz: y grizz: so only way to do better than 140 is to X the 1NT, and set 2 tricks PedroG: :) grizz: so the X was the way to do that grizz: and see how powerful your middle cards are, sitting behind the NT bidder? grizz: you can't be endplayed, you have sequences to lead from grizz: in 3 suits! grizz: East is stuck PedroG: right grizz: and the X makes sure he never comes up for air PedroG: hehe grizz: lol grizz: any questions? PedroG: nope :) grizz: wait grizz: another thought eubulides: w might rescue w 2d grizz: should N take action at his turn? PedroG: shoot PedroG: well 11 PedroG: plsu rule of 20 PedroG: 6 losser PedroG: I open PedroG: all my 3 rules are good grizz: y grizz: but should N bid over your X? PedroG: losers i mean PedroG: well only with extra or a very unbalanced hand grizz: right grizz: N should respect S's calculation that game is unlikely grizz: but defense looks good PedroG: even with the risk of the !d void PedroG: I think if p DBL for penalty, only a very good reason for me to take it out grizz: N might pull it with a subminimum opener, like xxx-Ax-Jx-AQxxxx grizz: otherwise should sit for the X grizz: one other thought PedroG: :) grizz: after 1!c-1NT-X-? grizz: should W take action? grizz: and if so what? PedroG: with 1pts u pray, but don't make it harder for p grizz: do they play system on over 1NT overcall? eubulides: 2d has to be better grizz: would 2!d be !d or !h transfer? PedroG: yes grizz: and if 2!d is transfer, how do you bid !ds? PedroG: after DBL or 2C systems on Caitlin: see you in hour OK? PedroG: 2!s ->Caitlin: sure Caitlin: is that the right time> I need a little nap:) PedroG: ending up on 3!d grizz: but now you are at the 3 level, very dangerous with 1 hcp PedroG: yes grizz: gives ops the chance to take a bigger bite PedroG: but even so I think systems ON are good thing, what is your opinion Pete grizz: so W should pass here, to avoid making a bad situation even worse grizz: i like system on for overcall, but OFF for balancing NT - like 1!C-P-P-1NT PedroG: ahhh grizz: because the balancing NT is 10-12 or so grizz: no reason to have that hand concealed, and might need to be able to bid !c or !d naturally PedroG: that I don't have agreement PedroG: taking note :) grizz: you don't play balancing NT? PedroG: yes I do grizz: ok, any agreement on system? PedroG: but was playing with systems ON too grizz: i recommend system off there PedroG: not specified PedroG: Oki, I will check it bilmanager (Lobby): => Club: => Club: !D!D iHELP Table in BIL will open in 20 min.Queestions answered concerning software in BIL and BBO No teaching All Beginners and Newbies welcome !D!D grizz: ready for another hand? PedroG: do u known I'm participating in first Live tourney next friday :) grizz: great! bilmanager (Lobby): => Club: => Club: !D!D iHELP Table in BIL will open in 10 min.Queestions answered concerning software in BIL and BBO No teaching All Beginners and Newbies welcome !D!D grizz: with your dad? PedroG: with my Dad :) PedroG: yep grizz: excellent PedroG: we are filling up the CC grizz: hang on grizz: here is some good info for filling out a cc: http://www.hipard.com/pard/conventioncardsend.asp PedroG: ty :) grizz: wrong one, go here first: http://www.acbl.org/assets/documents/play/Conventional-Wisdom/Conventional-Wisdom-All.pdf grizz: then hipard.com is a good place to work on a cc by long distance PedroG: that one I had :) PedroG: also the bridgeguy's page is good grizz: and a good CC editor is here for free: http://d21acbl.com/References/Convention%20Chart/CC%20Editor%20Merlin%20Vilhauer.htm PedroG: :) TY Pete grizz: ok, i'll dig up another hand PedroG: :) PedroG: TY for the tip's on CC, I probably will email u some question on that :) grizz: i'm always happy to help :) PedroG: :) I known u are great :) bilmanager (Lobby): => Club: => Club: !D!D iHELP Table in BIL is ispen Queestions answered concerning software in BIL and BBO No teaching All Newbies - Beginners welcome !D!D grizz: interesting bidding issue here PedroG: :) grizz: according to SAYC, 1m-2NT shows 13-15 grizz: but nobody plays it that way! PedroG: yep 11-12 grizz: and according to 2/1, minor auctions are the same as in SAYC, except for inverted minors grizz: but nobody plays it that way in 2/1 either! PedroG: :) grizz: so there is a special place on the CC for that bid grizz: and most folks play 1m-2NT as 11-12 and no 4 card major grizz: so 3NT is 13-15 and no 4M PedroG: yep I started to use it like that Caitlin advise grizz: y, otherwise there is no way to describe the 11-12 invitational hand PedroG: question? grizz: would you like to play this, or should we go on to a defense hand? PedroG: and 1M-2NT (Jacoby) PedroG: but 1M-#NT PedroG: 1M-3NT PedroG: 13-15? no support grizz: should be 4333 grizz: support, but no ruffing value PedroG: oki PedroG: interresting grizz: and trumps not strong enough for a dummy reversal PedroG: and what pts range grizz: so doesn't matter whether opener has ruffing value grizz: 12-15 or so PedroG: game going offcourse grizz: sure, GF values grizz: the value of the major fit is that losers can get ruffed out PedroG: this seems a Declarer interresting problem grizz: if losers can't be ruffed because of flat distribution, then there is no advantage to playing in the major, even with 9 card fit! grizz: so in that case the 9 trick game is more probable than the 10 trick major game PedroG: better to stay in NT then to have to make one less grizz: exactly! grizz: like to play this one? PedroG: well 6 Top tricks PedroG: yep grizz: ok PedroG: 4 !d in E PedroG: 1 in W grizz: ok, start with top tricks PedroG: !d will be difficiult to establish :( PedroG: 6 grizz: right, and possible extras? PedroG: 2!h+2!c+2!d PedroG: well !d is difficult with that lead PedroG: 1!s on the tenace grizz: y, !d will not split, in all probability grizz: could be - others? PedroG: yes 4-1 for sur PedroG: !h grizz: might split 3-3 grizz: others? PedroG: yes PedroG: let's try that grizz: 3-3 split is 36% PedroG: :) grizz: black suit finesses are 50% each PedroG: oki grizz: but will all have to work if this is going to make grizz: no other possibilities! PedroG: yes need 3 extra grizz: so probability of all 3 cases working is .36*.5*.5 PedroG: :( not nice grizz: = 9% PedroG: and yet with the best defense grizz: not good grizz: but it's the only chance we have bilmanager (Lobby): => Club: => Club: !D!D iHELP Table in BIL is open iQueestions answered concerning software in BIL and BBO No teaching All welcome!D!D grizz: so let's assume it's on, and proceed grizz: we have already decided that we need the hook to be on, so don't let ops talk you out of it! PedroG: yep and lead indicates a honor grizz: right grizz: 1 down, 2 to go grizz: now, what is the best way to play for the !h split? PedroG: end on on dummy PedroG: but I still have entries grizz: doesn't really matter on this hand, long as you play on !hs while still have stoppers in other suits grizz: otherwise it would be good to make a safety play, losing the first !h trick on purpose grizz: hoping for the split, and the AK clearing the suit on second and third leads PedroG: yes what I tought there too PedroG: reading the chaper on safety plays at the watson, so thing is fresh grizz: great book! PedroG: yes PedroG: in all the meanings PedroG: :) PedroG: should I try the finesse right away? grizz: dangerous to tackle !ss before you know about the !h situation, ops might destroy your stopper PedroG: oki grizz: and you MUST lose 1!h at least grizz: so continue !hs PedroG: ok grizz: and again PedroG: :) grizz: :) grizz: 2 down, 1 to go grizz: :):):) PedroG: :) PedroG: hehe PedroG: nice instrutive declarer hand grizz: sometimes you just get lucky grizz: any questions on this one? PedroG: no it's was fun grizz: ok, one last one PedroG: oki :) PedroG: we still have a lot to do :) grizz: hmmm another fun hand grizz: that's one possibility, but i have a couple questions PedroG: I will be beat up for this PedroG: :) grizz: who are you preempting? PedroG: me and partner :( grizz: ops both passed already :) grizz: how much does pd need for slam? drgarie2xx: is this official lesson in bil 23 sep? no bill asst PedroG: Q!H and some values ->drgarie2xx: open mentoring, not official grizz: !SK, !DK, !CA drgarie2xx: ok tks bye grizz: which S might have, even though a passed hand ->drgarie2xx: it's open doc, if you want to stay grizz: is S likely to take action over 4!h? PedroG: oki PedroG: no PedroG: game value grizz: last question - would you like an undo? lol PedroG: I would not make any more bid PedroG: :) grizz: :) PedroG: my small finger tells me that 4!h is the contract but :) I see your reasoning grizz: interesting call here PedroG: 11+ pts and 5 !d grizz: 2!c would be Reverse Drury, showing 3+!h and LR PedroG: yep grizz: so we do not have a LR hand, but do have 10+ drgarie2xx: dont see bidding box board 14 PedroG: and not 3card support grizz: right grizz: so what should we do now? PedroG: 3!h fwl: 2c 9 tricks? grizz: 2!h would be a minimum hand, and drop dead PedroG: 3!h is not forcing grizz: 3!h is strongly invitational, but NF PedroG: new suit grizz: y, 100% forcing PedroG: or splinter grizz: that would be ok too, i like it PedroG: slam interest .. GF grizz: but now S thinks that you are agreeing that !d are trumps PedroG: :( grizz: so be very careful PedroG: yep grizz: cue PedroG: ai-ai grizz: denying first round control of all other suits PedroG: oki PedroG: so we missing two keys grizz: if you cue !d, S will think it's a signoff grizz: just one, the !SA PedroG: oki because the cue make control at !C grizz: S denied first round control of !S, !h and !d, but you know about the red suits PedroG: still cheating on P grizz: only question is !s grizz: excellent! PedroG: great second round --- grizz: he already denied the A, but now shows the K grizz: and you have all the information you need grizz: fabulous! grizz: elegant auction PedroG: first I make without RKCB PedroG: :) PedroG: very interesting grizz: now that you have seen a cuebid auction, you will recognize it when experts do it PedroG: specially that cue after the splinter grizz: frequently they cue below game, and then use rkc just to make sure they are not off 2 controls PedroG: I had done cuebid to slam at 3 level :) PedroG: but never this hig :) grizz: so now you have another powerful bidding tool in your toolbox PedroG: if not 3-0 we don't lose !h grizz: and you have just bid a cold 24 point slam that will be a top PedroG: one !s PedroG: :9 grizz: home free!!! PedroG: :) grizz: fun hand! PedroG: TY Pete PedroG: yes grizz: my pleasure Pedro bloop2007: can I ask a question? PedroG: Very Nice session like always grizz: sure bloop, go ahead PedroG: make sure u all visit Pete site :) PedroG: http://www.grizzbridge.com/ ->PedroG: i will take a couple questions, then we can hide and do website bloop2007: ty, with 5!h cuebid, N always committed to 6!h even if S does not have second round control !s emmee: and I have a question also, if I may bloop2007: and then is down grizz: y, but 2 escape hatches bloop2007: or would S pass? grizz: 1. S can pass 5!h, since it's N's first suit bloop2007: y grizz: and S should allow for the possibility that 4!c was bogus, as it was here grizz: 2. S might have the missing !s honor, and slam is on bloop2007: yes grizz: the key to this hand is visualization bloop2007: ok, thank you grizz: N visualized what S might have, and allowed for the possibility Rokdanit->Club: my start on computer not bbo? grizz: S just happened to have the right cards grizz: but if N opens 4!h, there is no way for S to take a call bloop2007: yes, understand now,,, forgot S could pass 5!h grizz: not foolproof, and could blow up bloop2007: that is bridge, yes :) emmee: Please - What's an LR hand? I don't know what LR is grizz: :) grizz: Limit Raise PedroG: I could not splinter emmee: ty grizz: 10-12 or so, and support in pd's suit emmee: ok ty PedroG: giving 2!s PedroG: but then I hand't show my sgln and strenght grizz: another key is refusal of N to make a NF bid PedroG: If I'm going to fool partner let it be for showing something :) grizz: and still another is the bogus 2!d by S, because 2!c means something else grizz: lots of complexity on this hand grizz: but after all the maneuvering, we have a cold 24 point slam PedroG: :) grizz: and some new tools for finding them bloop2007: yes, tx grizz: ok, that's all for today, thx for watching bloop2007: so better not to open 4!h with a strong hand like that grizz: right grizz: even in passout seat PedroG: my first mistake :) grizz: slam is possible PedroG: http://www.grizzbridge.com/ bloop2007: rt PedroG: great stuff from previous lessons there and many thing will come short grizz: btw, the archives of my BIL lessons are on grizzbridge.com now beryl8: thanks! ->beryl8: :) bloop2007: great stuff, the archives grizz: ok, bye now grizz: see you next week bloop2007: byeeeeee:) PedroG: I will be doing perhaps if Pete Agree notes from this sessions for him to put up grizz: i was going to ask you about that PedroG: :) grizz: good idea, if you approve PedroG: great minds think alike :) grizz: :) grizz: ok then, adios PedroG: TY Pete