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grizz: As always i encourage participation by all kibs
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sretlaw (Lobby): Grizz I am ydannac at daughters house how can I get in for lesson
grizz: Since I can't always respond to private chat
grizz: We usually do random hands, and all areas of bidding, defense and declarer play are open for comment.
grizz: what should E do here?
dae: p
Shilo_1: 2 C
anegada: 2c
grizz: all depends on what kind of NT interference they play
grizz: if 2!c is natural, then that's a good call
grizz: so is the N-S NT system on or off?
bbo_iac: on
Shilo_1: on
anegada: on
bbo_iac: I have no idea but we play on over interference 
dae: off
grizz: there is no right or wrong answer to that, it's a matter of partnership agreement
Shilo_1: bid 2 H
grizz: nearly everybody plays system on over takeout X
grizz: and some pairs play system on also over 2!c
grizz: those who play system on will bid 2!h
grizz: those who don't must either wing it or bid Lebensohl
dae: Leb better here
grizz: so let's assume that system is off, and try our hand at Lebensohl
Shilo_1: 2 nt then
grizz: using Leb, any 2-level bid is natural and non forcing
grizz: any 3 level bid except cue is natural and forcing
grizz: and 2NT relays to 3!c for pass, correction or invitation
grizz: and cuebid of the overcalled suit is stayman
grizz: direct cuebid, 1NT-2!c-3!c is stayman without a !c stopper
dae: would  2 nt         slow shows       show c stopper?
grizz: but cuebid after the 2NT relay shows a stopper
grizz: so 1NT-2!c-2NT* (alert)-P
grizz: 3!c*-P-oops!    we just ran out of room here!
grizz: if we bid 4!c as stayman with a stopper, then we have bypassed 3NT
grizz: terribly inconvenient
grizz: works better with any other suit
grizz: but in any case, 3!s here is natural and forcing
grizz: 3NT showing doubleton !s and !c stopper
grizz: but responder having no interest in NT
dae: ?
dae: not showing  doubleton?
grizz: N's duty is to show whether has only 2, or more !ss
grizz: 3NT shows doubleton, but it's not the final vote - just an answer to the question
grizz: yes, 3NT shows doubleton
grizz: so if S has only 5, that is an offer to play in 3NT
grizz: 3!s shows 5+!s, is forcing to game, and says nothing else about shape
grizz: S has an intereting decision here
dae: 4 s
grizz: matchpoint gamblers might pass, looking for a top in case it makes the same number of tricks in NT and !s
grizz: but imp players will probably pull to 4!s as being the safer game
grizz: if you subtract the !SQ from this hand, it is now an invitational hand, not GF
grizz: and then responder would use the 2NT relay thusly:
grizz: 1NT-2!c-2NT*-P
grizz: 3!c*-P-3!s-P-?
grizz: now N has a tougher decision
grizz: with no entries outside !s, NT is a tough make
grizz: and with a flat 15 N might just pass 3!s in that case - again, assuming that S has AKTxxx
dee_dee_20: with 5!s and Qless  would you bid 2!s over 2!c?
grizz: yes, quite right
grizz: any 2 level bid is natural and NF
grizz: notice something interesting here
grizz: when responder's suit ranks higher than the overcall, then responder can distinguish NF from Invitational from GF holdings
grizz: 2 bid is NF, direct 3 is GF, and relay is INV
grizz: that is not true if responder's suit ranks BELOW the overcall
bbo_iac: ok  I knew this was going to happen... thanks....I think...
grizz: e.g, if the auction goes 1NT-2!s and responder has !hs
grizz: in that case, continuing with 2NT*-P-3!c*-P-3!h is either NF or invitational - opener must guess
grizz: so in either case a direct 3 bid is natural and forcing
grizz: but the relay now is 1. drop-dead or inv., and 2.  direct 3 is forcing
grizz: everybody clear on that?
dee_dee_20: yes
Shilo_1: y:)
doldridg: y
grizz: ok, i will give you guys a break and discuss Rubensohl some other day
dee_dee_20: oh noooo
anegada: this is all lebensohl responses ?
grizz: yes, this is all Lebensohl
dae: Q
grizz: Q?
dae: IF the 2 c bid is conventional,     how does Leb work,,,,,,off?
grizz: that is a matter of partnership agreement, once again
dee_dee_20: my problem is keeping the 2 straight ,,,so I'll stick to standard for now
grizz: the simplest way is to bid as if !c was natural
dae: ok ty
grizz: since you may not know what suit(s) overcaller is really showing
grizz: and 3!c will be stayman either with or without a stopper
grizz: since we can't make the cuebid after the relay without bypassing 3NT
grizz: ok, there is no magic defense to this one - ops take 2!h and a !d
grizz: any questions on Leb?
grizz: btw, the * symbols above are alerts
dae->Club: 2d?
dae: 2 d losers?
grizz: y, might guess wrong and lose 2!ds
dae: oops
grizz: but it's all up to declarer, there is no magic lead or signal for defenders to make that happen
grizz: hmmmm, what do you think S should do here?
dae: p
grizz: the hand is not strong enough for 2!h
doldridg: 3!H
grizz: might like to bid 3!h, but the vul is all wrong - red vs. white
dee_dee_20: !s void is good
grizz: !s void is nice, but there are a lot of losers here
Shilo_1: Pass
grizz: and if EW don't have game, they might get a juicy bonus for doubling
grizz: so the crafty old pro will pass with this, and hope to back in later, maybe
Shilo_1: :)
grizz: so, what happens now?
anegada: 4 spades
eubulides: 3s
grizz: depends i guess on what kind of major raises they play
dae: 3s
Dianne0516: That's weak--hand too strong
Shilo_1: 4 game
grizz: 4!s is a weak bid, and this hand has great !ss and 2 big controls
eubulides: close to slam
grizz: if 3!s is a Limit Raise, then i like that bid
dee_dee_20: bergen?>
anegada: 4sp describes hand and is up to p then
grizz: if they play Bergen, then 3!d shows 10-12 and 4+ trumps
grizz: Reverse Bergen, 3!c shows that hand
grizz: but the hand is not good enough for Jacoby 2NT
dee_dee_20: naw  I like 12+ 
grizz: y, and 7 losers - this hand has 9
grizz: so let's assume they play Bergen
Dianne0516: At least 10 dp--do you count another spade as 1?
grizz: y, i would count 1 for the long !s and another for the !h doubleton
grizz: the question now is, what would it mean if N doubled?
dee_dee_20: lead directing?
guyb2: lead
grizz: is that a suit, or just a lead director?
dae: lead
grizz: probably a lead director
grizz: but worth a chat with your regular partner if you have not discussed it
grizz: N-S are not likely to be sacrificing red vs white
grizz: now E has an interesting decision to make
grizz: with a nice 18 hcp and some shape opposite a LR
grizz: i like Italian-style cuebids here
dee_dee_20: yup
grizz: A or K
grizz: another lead director X
grizz: another cue
grizz: interesting also
infidel: lead director? what chance of W declaring? should suggest sac
grizz: S is almost broke, so N rates to be on lead sometime
sthrnldy: i thought u couldnt use cue bids unless trumps was set
sthrnldy: oh the bergen set the trump
dee_dee_20: trump is set
grizz: yes, trumps were set as !s with the Bergen raise
sthrnldy: sorry
grizz: np  :)
grizz: but the 4!h cue might be the K, and they might be off 2 aces
grizz: 4NT clears it up nicely
grizz: unfortunately, it looks like there are a !d and !c to lose
grizz: and it doesn't look like there is any squeeze that operates here
grizz: interchange the !c 8 and 9 and there are chances
grizz: or give W or E the !cT and there are chances
grizz: but this is a good slam that just doesn't quite make
dae: finesse C?
grizz: !c finesse is good for 1 trick, but then then the T or 9 sets up
sthrnldy: but playing with less then experts i bet it could be made by playing trumps out and getting discards
grizz: possible
grizz: the finesse won, but it's only worth 2 trick on this layout
dee_dee_20: unlikely:) lol
grizz: or maybe 3 on a good day  :)
grizz: N should cover here, since it promotes the T
grizz: any questions on this one?
dae: lead small c instead  of J?
grizz: we did lead the small one first, hoping to catch the T9 doubleton in S
grizz: or in N, for that matter
dae: sorry
->dae: np  :)
deniseb: no bergen here lol too weak
grizz: some of you may not be familiar with Bergen raises
sretlaw: y
grizz: with 4+ trumps, the responses are:
grizz: 3!d is 10-12
grizz: 3!c is 7-9, maybe a bad 10
grizz: and 3!s is less, 0-6
dae: what is the reason for Bergen raises     ?
grizz: 2 reasons - the Law of Total Tricks is based on the number of trumps in both hands
dae: seems to get the bidding too high?
grizz: and the direct 3-level bid is preemptive
grizz: if you have a 9 card fit, the LOTT says you are safe at the 3 level
dae: y
grizz: and that bid deprives ops of the entire 2-level of bidding
grizz: so unless 2nd seat takes direct action, ops are either frozen out of the auction, or they enter at their own peril
grizz: any questions on this one?
grizz: Our time is up then, thanks for coming and I'll see you next week.
Dianne0516: Thanks Pete :)
NMS04: tu
Shilo_1: Great data......thank YOU ~!!!
dotfl: thanks pete
->Shilo_1: :)
dee_dee_20: thanks Pete
cdt: thanks Pete great lesson much appreciated :)
anegada: thx pete
bbo_iac: thanks so much Pete  and thanks all for coming
doldridg: Thks Pete
norrito1: tks Pete
grizz: my pleasure entirely, bye now