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I want to address them all, but in a manner helpful to all, so please ask them in open chat. grizz: As always I encourage participation by all kibs grizz: So jump right in with a comment, question, or bid at any time, but please do it in open chat grizz: Since I can't always respond to private chat grizz: We usually do random hands, and all areas of bidding, defense and declarer play are open for comment. grizz: would anybody open that N hand with a weak 2!d? kyno40: y anegada: y lauriexx: y PoorRich_1: y solidgold: i would pegasus1: y BUT non-vul TheoKole: y TheoKole: always grizz: the problem with that bid is that this hand a a great fit for either major qwyz: no: never pre-empt P wyoming33: not too happy about it with 3!H and 3!S grizz: y, Kxx in each major and only 7 losers if a fit is found leonora3: Kxx Kxx in majors might miss a good fit TheoKole: cant partner bid a 1 round force if he is strong? grizz: sure, but if pard has only 12-14 and a 4M he might trap pass on a hand that makes game zewzew: i'd pass grizz: so i would pass and hope pard bids a major TheoKole: if he bids hearts or spades forcing, you have an easy raise grizz: or me might pass a full opener with no extras that would have made game otherwise grizz: now we don't have the same problem grizz: pard is a passed hand grizz: and a weak jump overcall looks a lot like a weak 2 opener grizz: this one is a bit ragged, but close enough grizz: and it nearly always pays to jam the ops' auction if you can grizz: so if you are W, what do you do now? zewzew: 3!C bbo_iac: X wyoming33: neg X grizz: Neg X to show !s, 2NT to show values and stopper, 3NT to play, or 3!c? TheoKole: X negative, points and spades whiz: 2nt zewzew: maybe 2!S? grizz: here is a hot tip - Ax is not a very good stopper for NT when ops know about their length grizz: 2!s would show 5+ length grizz: also, if W bids 2NT EW will never find a !s fit, if they have it whiz: if p has one stopper in heart he will bid 3nt grizz: so X shows 8+ and 4!s grizz: and N can do nothing better than advance the preempt, sucking up all the bidding space for EW grizz: and letting pard know that !hs is a good lead if ops play NT grizz: now E is stuck grizz: the 3!h bid really jammed the auction grizz: and he can't cuebid the suit to ask whether pard has a stopper for NT TheoKole: I'd X as East penalty , I have points, p has points, p has 4 spades, no fit that I know of grizz: 4!c anybody? X? none of the above? cafie: double seems right huber225: x? cafie: west sit for it.... or bid 3ng whiz: 4c grizz: X seems right, but could be very wrong cafie: 3ng cafie: 3nt grizz: W may have a bare 8-9 bbo_iac: 4!c both opps show weak hands, shows !c are a real suit grizz: y, but 4!c takes NS off the hook in case W wanted to X for penalties huber225: supp x? grizz: supp X shows 3 in a suit that pard bids, and we are not sure whether he has 4 or more TheoKole: if a pass is forcing you can pass but you have to know that p is on the same wave length as you are grizz: i suppose you could say that W "bid" !s with the Neg X grizz: but W has denied 5, if he has 10+ hcp grizz: so we aren't really looking to play 3!s in a 7 card fit grizz: all things considered, E doesn't know what to do whiz: lol grizz: when that's the case, give pard a vote :) grizz: W has some prime defensive values, and pard opened in 2nd seat whiz: now W doesnt know if p has 5 clubs zewzew: maybe this is why i liked 3!C by W instead of x grizz: y, but 3!c gives up on a !s fit, not a good idea grizz: and after 2 passes, W is in the balancing seat now wyoming33: right - and knows P doesnt have 4 !S or good !H stoppers - grizz: Mike Lawrence says that after 2 passes your interest in reopening should range from "strongly inclined" to "obsessive" grizz: and E has denied a !s fit grizz: so maybe this is a hand that EW should defend whiz: what is obsessive? grizz: obsessive is more strongly inclined than just strongly inclined anegada: rofl wyoming33: and they have the majority of points - huber225: :) whiz: no defence with nice clubs fit grizz: but with no clear bid here, W can reopen with a X grizz: showing now 10+, and interest in defending grizz: and probably a !h stopper, but not much interest in NT whiz: l dint want o be in retreat ........:( grizz: so E still is not sure, but thinks maybe defending will bring a plus whiz: a lot to think hehehe grizz: lol huber225: going by the law? would e/w think that 3 hearts has a chance? kcgal (Lobby): no is that bad? grizz: EW should be wary that 3!h does have a chance grizz: defending this one will not be a slam dunk wyoming33: can prob make 3 on this hand - very good !Ds after pull trump kyno40: does the lawcome in to play after pass and 2 weak overcall ? grizz: sure, the LOTT does apply here kyno40: ok ty TheoKole: who said, "if opps never make a doubled contract on you, you are not doubling enough"? grizz: good point - if ops don't make 1 in 4 or 5 of your Xed contracts, you are not doubling enough zewzew: i thought that 4!S are enough for responder to bid spades! (if he has the points that is) grizz: no, the Neg X shows 4, so 2!s would show 5+ whiz: never l will let them take advantage of me......booo with that clubs anegada: but hate to dble into game wyoming33: maybe 4!C does not make either grizz: well, let's play it and see what happens whiz: ok grizz: now East looks at dummy and has second thoughts about passing the X wyoming33: :) grizz: that !d suit looks ominous grizz: and the void in !c doesn't look so hot either grizz: but W has some values grizz: so E cannot neutralize the !d suit, but he can kill a !c ruff grizz: nice! grizz: let's kill another one now TheoKole: low spade is better grizz: for whom? TheoKole: why not play !D K first? grizz: the !ds are isolated on the board now, and the !sK is the only entry whiz: club again grizz: so EW don't want to solve S's entry problem wyoming33: do defenders know that - that south doesnt have anothre !D grizz: no, EW don't know that grizz: but that is the only problem that NS could have that would set the hand whiz: club grizz: so if there is only one lie of the cards that lets you do that, assume it to be true and proceed accordingly wyoming33: gd thought whiz->Club: oh well :( grizz: hua! whiz: nice grizz: didn't look like this one was going down 2 grizz: and will not, if defenders lead !s grizz: so what were the keys to the defense? grizz: 1. killing ruffs with trump leads wyoming33: pulling trump grizz: 2. playing Passive otherwise grizz: not giving declarer any free finesses, or help in locating cards grizz: and especially by NOT leading !ss grizz: 3. assuming a layout that would beat the contract, and playing as if it were the case grizz: 4. endplaying S at every opportunity, in !cs grizz: S was only in dummy one time - grizz: and that was by using a natural trump trick to ruff a winning !c grizz: so S was effectively playing this one out of his own hand grizz: does that mean that the LOTT is wrong? huber225: no grizz: NS were not safe contracting for 9 tricks, even though they have 9 trumps wyoming33: no - south could have had another !D grizz: sure grizz: nothing works 100% of the time grizz: and if you take the same NS hands but shuffle the EW cards a hundred times and replay this hand, it will make some percentage of the time grizz: makes on this layout if the !sA is in W grizz: then the !ds come home grizz: but this is a typical hard-fought part score battle grizz: with neither side really certain of what to do grizz: btw, about 75% of all hands are part score battles grizz: so there are a lot of points up for grabs, and sharpening your judgment on these auctions will net a lot of points grizz: any questions on this hand? whiz: allis ok grizz: what happens if EW play 4!c or 3NT? anegada: matches can be won by 1 imp--have experience on that-- also lost by 1 imp jaymac: Can EW estimate LOTT score for NS? TheoKole: can you play the !D K first before the !C ruff grizz: let's try it wyoming33: duck grizz: excellent laserxx: good thing he ducked grizz: back to visualizing a layout that allows a set TheoKole: !S 10 now, see how good West is grizz: and now S needs 2 entries to cash the !d grizz: savvy play TheoKole: without thinking too much about it of course grizz: many Ws would listen to the "2nd hand low" demon wyoming33: LOL - gd play grizz: and S would thereby create an entry grizz: but W is too sharp for that one :) TheoKole: duck anegada: cover honor with an honor whiz: spade TheoKole: duck the A is sure to be with East grizz: down only 1 grizz: but still down grizz: losing a !s at the end grizz: any other questions? wyoming33: takes very good defense TheoKole: yes but W-E can make 2NT so N-S win at MPS laserxx: dont trump the last diamond your j109 are good grizz: EW have 8 top tricks, so 2NT does make grizz: for 120 wyoming33: but NS shd not let them play 2NT grizz: y, same reasoning grizz: LOTT says the !h sac pays off grizz: next hand grizz: 1!d or 1!s here? zewzew: 1!d anegada: 1d kyno40: i like 1 s and rebid d if i can twice wyoming33: saw an expert play practically the same type hand and bid 1!S grizz: a matter of style grizz: trouble with the !s opening on 5=?=6=? is that you can never describe your real shape grizz: though you get it out there right away that you have 5!ss grizz: so 1!s solves a problem early on, but creates others downstream grizz: does N have a bid here? wyoming33: and not really strong enough to reverse bbo_iac: well the points for a reverse aren't really there, are they? if p bids nt? zewzew: 1NT grizz: 1!d-1!h-1!s would not be a reverse grizz: 1!d-1!h-2!s would be, though grizz: N is way too big to pass, shape not ideal but !ds are stopped, and so are both majors grizz: so what does X mean here? grizz: Negative, Takeout, Penalty or Who Knows? kyno40: 2 4 card maj. JohnnyHiLo: actually 1d-1h-2s is a jump shift isnt it 1d-1s-2h is a reverse. no? whiz: negative and 2mjors ArLady: balance double grizz: in this auction X is for penalties wyoming33: LOL - got some points - name another suit grizz: takeout-ish, but passable zewzew: :) maggietp: stolen bid grizz: stolen bid? totally ambiguous here grizz: question - whiz: bid anything l have all suits excpt your suit grizz: when pard overcalls 1NT, is your NT system on? whiz: y wyoming33: yes TheoKole: y for me grizz: if so, is it still on over ops' X? grizz: i vote yes on both wyoming33: me too whiz: so do l whiz: yeah grizz: 2!s in NOT a reverse here, not in this auction grizz: merely natural, might be only 4 long whiz: y zewzew: what is a reverse pls? grizz: reverses and jump shifts are strong bids by opener, forcing responder to the 3 level to support the first suit grizz: so 1!c-1!h-2!s is a reverse zewzew: thanks grizz: since pard must bid 3!c to prefer to the first suit whiz: and less strenght than the first bid grizz: or 1!h-1!s-3!c is a jump shift into a lower ranking suit grizz: so reverse is into a higher ranking suit grizz: jump shift is into a lower ranking suit grizz: but both bids require responder to go to the 3 level to prefer the first bid suit grizz: and either shows17+, or compensating distribution zewzew: ok, thx grizz: N here accepts the !h transfer, with AQx and ruffing value in !cs grizz: but now E comes alive after the !s rebid from W whiz: sure grizz: now West and his crummy 9 hcp look pretty good grizz: sitting behind the NT bidder, and void in !ds grizz: now with the !s fit, E has a 6-loser hand ArLady: why would u open the hand in west with d when to bid spades have to be a reverse? grizz: a kib asks "why would u open the hand in west with d when to bid spades have to be a reverse?" grizz: answer, it's only a reverse if you later jump to the 2 level grizz: here the 2!s bid was not a jump grizz: and if ops don't interfere, 1!d-1!h-1!s is not a reverse grizz: since pard can bid 2!d to prefer to the first bid suit grizz: and 4!s here is a 2-way bid grizz: either an advance sacrifice, white vs red, or to make if pard has a nice hand grizz: S has nothing more to say grizz: and W grins and passes grizz: does N have another call coming? ArLady: double grizz: tempting to X with that hand grizz: looks like 1!c, 1 or 2 !hs, 1 or 2 !ds grizz: and maybe a !s whiz: and he will pay the bill if he x wyoming33: looks like strange distribution though grizz: and pard did bid, though can't count on S for much besides !h length ArLady: buts hes red so better think lol grizz: riverboat gamblers will X with the N cards and pay grizz: more conservative types will pass, expecting it not to make but not sure enough to risk it whiz: if he has money...np lol grizz: lol grizz: ok, the poker part is done grizz: now what? grizz: !CA? anegada: how do u know about riverboat gamblers Pete ? grizz: it's a "past life" thing :) anegada: rofl whiz: :) grizz: now N is really happy that he didn't X! TheoKole: I would hate to lead with the north hand. Im still stuck after the A !C lead grizz: y, this is a terrible choice to make wyoming33: terrible hand to lead from grizz: several threats are evident grizz: !d ruffs grizz: !hK leonora3: why the 9!c from south? grizz: suggesting a !h card grizz: but not high enough to be certainn grizz: when dummy is void, 3rd hand should give a Suit Pref signal if he has one available whiz: small d grizz: or an ambiguous middle card if not whiz: no TheoKole: probably continue with a low !D and declarer will be sure to play me for the !S Q grizz: well, anything could be wrong here grizz: so a couple thoughts here grizz: cut down 1 !d ruff ArLady: well for certain north wants some one else on lead :) wyoming33: dec pretty sure you have !S Q grizz: and get the heck off lead! huber225: I don't understand the diamond opener grizz: scroll up for the discussion TheoKole: trump a heart and end play north in !D :) wyoming33: nooooooooooooo wyoming33: not a !C TheoKole: !D 10 tmortada: !CJ and !H back grizz: that's all, folks wyoming33: yup grizz: or grizz: fun hand! grizz: turns out that this one is easier to bid if W opens 1!s grizz: but i still like the !d opener with longer !ds dae: is double negative over NT bid? grizz: no, X is not negative over 1NT grizz: shows values, tends to be for penalties grizz: and is not forcing grizz: but W with that great shape in !s and !d doesn't want to hunker down and defend a partscore when they might have game grizz: a lot of things could happen if NS plays 1NTX, and i can't get a handle on all of them after 6 hours at the table :) grizz: OK then, our time is up now, thanks for coming and I'll see you next week. grizz: If anybody needs help retrieving the hand records or chat log, please email me at Grizz@GrizzBridge.com. analisals: thanks Pete: cdt: Ok u are excused LOL thanks Pete terrific lesson wyoming33: thank you for coming - :) bbo_iac: thanks Grizz :) ladygolf: ty Pete zewzew: thks Pete grizz: I teach private individual, pair, and small group lessons. 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