bbo_iac (Lobby): => Club: Grizz table now open in club. Join us for discussion of the bidding, play and defense of hands. All are welcome to pariticipate. grizz: an opening 2NT is 20-21 for most players, so 2!c-2!d-2NT is 22-23 grizz: and 2!c-2!d-3NT is 24+ grizz: a very awkward hand to handle at that point, if responder has any points diane_302: ok.........thanks Pete grizz: Eric Kokish devised a system of relay bids for those huge hands, but there is a lot of memory work and they come up so seldom that it's hardly worth the effort diane_302: thanks......lets say, my p and I didn't connect on the hand :( grizz: it's just really hard to explore for a fit after chewing up all that bidding space grizz: and are transfers on? is 4!c Gerber? is 4NT Quantitative? is 5!c Super Gerber? so many questions grizz: the good part is that when pard has 24, odds are that you are broke :) diane_302: she only had 22 but I had 9 or 10.........I thinking she was stronger............just bid 6NT>.......down we went grizz: too bad! 2!c-2!d-2NT describes that hand perfectly diane_302: right grizz: we have some grizz: Defense problem hands today isabable: great grizz: oh goody, we are in now. what next? grizz: first let's count points grizz: if pard has the !hKQ, then he can't have an outside entry. rats grizz: not enough room in his hand otherwise, unless W bid 1NT on air grizz: but there is a chance on this hand. anybody see it? aLi024: !J aLi024: JS grizz: if pard has an entry, we might be able to score some !s tricks grizz: but it won't help to go looking for his entry yet, we must set up the !s tricks first grizz: eventually N will get in with the !CA and push a !s through dummy grizz: and we score 5 tricks for a set and probably a top board grizz: W is stuck now grizz: question grizz: how do you all feel about the 1NT bid? isabable: bettr then 2c janeymac: ok stefsched: good. aLi024->Club: fine grizz: we like to have 8+ for 1NT by an unpassed hand stefsched: i thought 6+ in sayc grizz: y, 6+ is ok for SAYC grizz: and W is clearly not good enough for 2!c bbo_iac: what other choice is there except to pass and has something in case p has a great hand grizz: but most 2/1 players like 8-10 by an unpassed hand, or 6-10 if passed grizz: y, too good to pass grizz: some folks might try a frisky 1!h here, but that's a terrible bid Beefeater: y not -3 ? lol J-10!D's are good :) grizz: my theory is that if you are ever going to play in a 3-3 fit, somebody has to bid a 3-card suit first lol stefsched: lol grizz: and i don't ever want it to be me! grizz: so 1NT was the best of the alternatives grizz: and in fairness, 3NT makes without superb defense grizz: given enough time, W can set up some !c tricks grizz: and if S doesn't make that killing !s switch right then and there, the !cs DO get established and its an easy make grizz: so the killing D was a matter of counting tricks, and visualizing a holding in pard's hand that allows the D to succeed grizz: actually, it wasn't that hard here grizz: if W had the !CA, he would probably bid 2NT invitational grizz: and if pard has the !dK, it's worthless of course grizz: so the only card that will help is the !CA grizz: this time, he had it grizz: no guarantees though grizz: but if you go through a drill like this on every hand, you will create chances for yourself and over the long haul you will collect a lot of matchpoints and imps grizz: any questions on this one? grizz: stefsched: nty grizz: so far, so good grizz: 1!h in the bag, a sure !d winner, maybe a !s or 2 grizz: and pard might have running !hs grizz: AJxx, or something like that grizz: so should we continue !hs at this point? grizz: we do, if we play on automatic pilot grizz: but if we think a little, we see that there is no need to bet the hand on !hs at this point grizz: S will get in later with the !dK, and can lead !hs then tmortada: small !S grizz: a minor suit must be wrong, but pard might have the !sQ grizz: and it might not be guarded grizz: though not likely, W could have 5!ss grizz: and pard could have the Qx isabable: k10 sits over j9 aLi024: but by leading spades are we not eating up p's entry which he cud have used after setting up !H winners grizz: now if N has running !hs, he runs them grizz: if not, what better return than a !s? grizz: W can dither here and squeeze himself, or step up and take the !d hook grizz: S now better not forget to take his !s grizz: and then back to pard's original suit grizz: and if he has AJ left, we collect another !h grizz: or if N started with 6, we take all the rest of the !hs for a huge plus aLi024: thats the only defence i think grizz: in fact, there is a way to score another trick on D - anybody spot it? grizz: looking only at S and E, are you sure that the switch is the only defense? grizz: most newer players would automatically continue !hs here grizz: here is the extra trick - grizz: there is no need to give pard a count signal - the 8 is too big a card to waste giving signals on this hand grizz: nope, doesn't matter - no entry grizz: nevertheless, -1 is a great score for NS grizz: any questions on this one? sascha3: nty isabable: nty grizz: next hand grizz: first critical decision of the hand grizz: win it? grizz: or duck? grizz: and why? sascha3: 2 more entries aLi024: duck is better grizz: :) aLi024: 2 entries grizz: why? grizz: W is marked with the A aLi024: if we play the Q, the 10 sets up as stopper grizz: and W probably has the J too sascha3: duck once and then play spade and then get in again and take all spades grizz: right! the T8xx in dummy is fairly powerful holding in NT grizz: if N had the Jx, N would lead the J grizz: so W is marked with the AJ tight sascha3: y aLi024: y grizz: and no need to signal count or attitude in !s grizz: but S CAN show where one of his entries is sascha3: y aLi024: 4 of S sascha3: y grizz: not that it matters much on this hand, because N is broke grizz: the !s4 shows a !c entry, in case that matters to pard grizz: and it doesn't hurt a thing to tell W either grizz: W just doesn't have enough tricks to avoid ever leading !cs grizz: notice that N and S both give Count signals here bluehi: i dont see how that shows want a club grizz: doesn't much matter on this hand, but it's a good habit to cultivate grizz: a kib asks: "i dont see how that shows want a club" grizz: easy - low card = low suit grizz: lowest !s shows the !c entry grizz: high !s spot card would show a !h entry grizz: the 6 is the loudest card that S can afford here, reinforcing the !c signal grizz: next critical decision for S grizz: which !s to lead? tmortada: !SK grizz: doesn't much matter here grizz: S knows that the A is stiff in W now aLi024: 9 ginger_321: y grizz: but S can give a Suit Pref signal showing the !HA by leading high grizz: and N knows now that he can pitch a !h and guard !cs grizz: unusual case where N should NOT keep parity with dummy in !hs grizz: if S gets it wrong at Trick 1, there is no recovery grizz: the T sets up as a stopper in dummy, and S's long !ss go to waste grizz: so it pays to think about the whole hand, before deciding how to play one suit grizz: this hand is a special case of finessing an honor in dummy, the T grizz: and it's easy because S knows at Trick 1 that W has the AJ grizz: then it's a matter of putting the intel to good use grizz: any questions on this one? ginger_321: nty grizz: this is a good time to wrap it up then, for today grizz: Do we have any final questions? bluehi: ty diane_302: thanks Pete for some great info grizz: OK then, our time is up now, thanks for coming and I'll see you next week. ginger_321: thx Pete:) was great ->ginger_321: !H aLi024->Club: ty isabable: tys very much ladygolf: thanks Pete doldridg: thks Pete grizz: If anybody needs help retrieving the hand records or chat log, please email me at Grizz@GrizzBridge.com. grizz: I teach private individual, pair, and small group lessons. If you would like to know more please email me at Grizz@GrizzBridge.com. ginger_321: byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee grizz: Thanks to Fred and all the wonderful people at BBO who make this all possible. tmortada: thx grizz: Thanks all for coming, and I hope see you next week. grizz: Happy bridging! Grizz out. stefsched: tyvm :)