grizz->Club: !s!h   Grizz on Defense - Lesson Table  is now open in the BIL.   All members are invited to attend. Today's topic is NT Defense, Moving Beyond Trick 1  !d!c
grizz->Lobby: !s!h   Grizz on Defense - Lesson Table  is now open in the BIL.   All members are invited to attend. Today's topic is NT Defense, Moving Beyond Trick 1  !d!c
ydannac: Thanks, !H!H:)
PedroG (Lobby): hehe :) my live tourney only start in september
->PedroG: :)
grizz: Hi all, while we are waiting are there any questions from past sessions?
Wanda310: hi:)
grizz: hey!
PedroG: Pete third hand play, can I make question?
grizz: sure, fire away
PedroG: I got some ideia that in third hand if you can't win the trick you should give count...
grizz: right, that is a good idea
grizz: keeping in mind that sometimes you CAN win the trick but SHOULDN'T
PedroG: but in the forum they are saying that if the dummy play a high card and u have a honor u should give attitude
bluehi: hi
grizz: if you CANNOT win the trick, then use the opportunity to give other information to partner, and count is good info
->bluehi: :)
grizz: some authorities say that you should give count only if the dummy wins with A or K, but i like to give count in other cases too
PedroG: so if partner lead low, dummy takes with the Ace, and you have Qxxx ... count or attitude?
PedroG: so if partner lead low, dummy takes with the Ace, and you have Qxxx ... count or attitude?
grizz: if you play that your first obligation is to show attitude, then signal attitude
grizz: otherwise you would give count, and pd is expected to be able to infer attitude
grizz: which leads me to another observation
grizz: many players demand nothing but count, and claim to be not interested in attitude
grizz: at the very highest levels, this may be true
grizz: but for the other 99+% of us, attitude is more important at Trick 1
grizz: remember, the most important question that partner needs to answer at Trick 1:
grizz: 'if i get in, do i continue that suit or switch?'
grizz: so try in all cases to give partner the information he needs to answer that question
grizz: usually it will be an attitude signal, but occasionally it will be count
grizz: does that help, or just confuse the issue?
PedroG: I think it helps
grizz: let me condense that - 
BILAssist: major appologies    I was watching the first jaws movie and lost the time
bluehi: we just have to hear over and over
grizz: if you have any doubt about which signal to give, default to attitude
->BILAssist: nppppp!
->BILAssist: i made the announcement already
BILAssist: is there a topic and I will announce
->BILAssist: more random NT hands
bluehi: i thought if you could not beat then give count
grizz: good question, are there any others?
bluehi: them
grizz: help partner answer that most important question
bluehi: k
grizz: usually it will be an attitude signal, but occasionally count is more important
grizz: when in doubt, give attitude
grizz: Hi everybody, thanks for attending another of a series of lessons on Defense.  
grizz: First I would like to thank my good friend and partner Caitlin for taking over the class last week in my absence.
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grizz: I hope you enjoyed her presentation, she is my regular partner and we have similar playing styles.
grizz: Here we go with the usual stuff.
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grizz: There will be lots of questions.  I want to address them all, but in a manner helpful to all, so please ask them in open chat.  
grizz: I cannot respond to private chat during a lesson.
Caitlin: hi there leave answer to my question re: when you might be back as BBO mail?
->Caitlin: ok, done here in about 90 min
grizz: We will be playing actual hands and putting into practice all the concepts that we have been talking about.
Caitlin: arent you going out then?
Caitlin: gues that is early ok see you then to play?
->Caitlin: dinner plans, not decided when we leave though
grizz: The hands will all be NT hands or at least NT auctions, and I will continue to concentrate on defense.
Caitlin: will check back GL
grizz: So think about the auction, opening lead, 3rd hand play, location of honors and hand counts around the table.  
grizz: I will sit in all 4 seats but ask for advice from all the kibs on bids, plays, plans, signals and so forth.
grizz: We will talk about declarer play a little more as well.
grizz: Any questions before we start?
->Caitlin: :)
marialo: questions in private or open?
grizz: open, plz
marialo: ok tks
grizz: what should N respond here with both majors?
dae: h
grizz: righto
breck23: 2hs
breck23: 2nt
dae: 4s
grizz: 2NT by Sout?
Dianne0516: 3MT
Dianne0516: 3NT
marialo: 3NT
dae: 3nt
PedroG: or 2S
breck23: nts to try find the M fit
grizz: 2!S by S would be nonforcing
dae: s
PedroG: oki
grizz: N can and should pass 2!s
grizz: 3NT is not drop-dead, it gives N a choice of games
grizz: 4!s with !s fit, or pass 3NT
breck23: ok
PedroG: it makes sense
grizz: notice the difference between this auction and a 2NT rebid
grizz: South would not make this bid with this hand, i am just pointing out a huge difference
grizz: 2NT here is invitational
grizz: not game forcing
breck23: right ok
breck23: so  is best
grizz: and some pairs play that it does not even promise a 4 card major
grizz: if not, then it should be alerted
dae: why not   2 nt right away ,then?
grizz: some pairs play that 1NT-2NT transfers to !ds
dae: oh-ok
grizz: if so, they give up the 2NT inv. bid
grizz: and must use a Stayman sequence to invite
anegada (Lobby): cannot find u
->anegada: hi, i'm in the BIL
cavalier2: why hearts over spades as initial response
grizz: almost everybody plays transfers to !h and !s
anegada (Lobby): does not show your table
->anegada: go to the BIL, or just right click my name 
anegada (Lobby): or am i early ?
->anegada: just started
grizz: hold that question for just a minute
dae: s
grizz: if you play transfers to majors, then there must be a mechanism for the minors
grizz: some pairs use 2!s as Minor Suit Stayman, asking pd if he has either, and if both to bid !cs
grizz: other pairs use 4-suit transfers
grizz: usually 2!s=>3!c
grizz: but the !d transfer can be either 2NT or 3!c. depending on partnership agreement
grizz: if 1NT-2NT transfers to !d, then you can't use 2NT as game invite in NT
->anegada: :)
dae: 2 s transfer to C and correct to D?
grizz: is that clear?
wyoming33: y
grizz: that is how MSS works
breck23: yes thxs
grizz: ok, the next question is why would we bid !h instead of !s with 4-4?
grizz: generally with 4 card suits we bid up the line
grizz: and with 5 or longer, we bid top down
grizz: so 1NT-2!c-2!h guarantees 4!hs, but does not deny 4!s
grizz: but
grizz: 1NT-2!c-2!s shows 4!s, but DOES DENY 4!hs
grizz: back to the real hand now
grizz: why would S bid Stayman with GF values, and not just invitational?
grizz: that is the question that N must ask
grizz: and the only possible answer is that S has 4!s
dae: has shortness somewhere
grizz: if S was contented to play in 3NT and did not have a major, he would just blast
grizz: any questions about those sequences?
grizz: ok, let's talk about defense for a while
cavalier2: what is blast
eubulides: if s is 4333 is 4s still better than 3n?
grizz: bid directly to game
wyoming33: 1 to 3
PedroG: 1NT-3NT
grizz: depends
grizz: and S would not necessarily know the answer
wyoming33: is this using MSS?  if not, how would it go
ydannac: explain MSS
grizz: the reason that 4-4 trump fits work so well is that you can ruff in either hand
wyoming33: minor suit stayman
grizz: but only if there is shortness in one of the hands
grizz: 4333 has no shortness, therefore no ruffs
grizz: and responder cannot know whether opener has a doubleton
eubulides: got it. so stayman always w 4c major
grizz: it's a judgment call, but frequently a 4333 plays better in NT than the major
grizz: as responder, you will bid Stayman with one or 2 4-card majors at least 99% of the time
grizz: ok, the next question was how would this go if we were playing MSS?
grizz: no difference
grizz: since you should have a 6 card suit for MSS
jacquiek: sorry...what is mss?
tomad: What is MSS?
grizz: Minor Suit Stayman
tomad: ok
grizz: let's back up
grizz: when pd opens 1NT and you as responder have a 4 card major, you bid 2!c to find out whether pd has one too
grizz: if responder has no major but interest in the minors, he uses Minor Suit Stayman to ask whether opener has a long minor
grizz: 1NT-2!s is that bid
ydannac: y
tomad: got it
grizz: does not apply to this hand, since:
grizz: 1.  S has a major, and
grizz: 2.  S does not have a 6 card minor
grizz: now back to defense
grizz: E is long in trumps, with a stiff !C
grizz: what should his defensive strategy be?
JanaDe: lead c
tomad: lead c
jenna22: I would lead !D 10
grizz: looking for a ruff, and W rates to have an entry to give that to him
jenna22: oops
grizz: but there is a counterintuitive rule for defense when you have long trumps and shortness
grizz: force declarer to ruff your long suit, and hope he runs out of them and loses control of the hand
grizz: doesn't always work, but can be spectacular when it does
grizz: Plan B would be to lead trumps at every opportunity, so declarer can't cross-ruff the hand
grizz: but
grizz: it doesn't sound from this auction as though a cross ruff is in the works
grizz: so, i like the !d lead
grizz: well, it doesn't look like there is any future in !ds.  what now?
grizz: switch?   or cooperate with pd's plan?
ydannac: is this a coded lead
grizz: yes
grizz: 0 or 2 higher
bluehi: does the 7dai =H
grizz: !D7 would deny interest in !D, but that's a no-brainer looking at the board
dae: lead long suit
grizz: here is what W should be thinking
grizz: E is short in !c, but didn't lead them
grizz: he does not want a ruff
grizz: i only have a stiff !s, so pd must have 4
grizz: looks like pd has started us on a forcing defense
grizz: i don't have any better plan, so why not go with the flow?
grizz: 9 shows a !h honor, such as it is    lol
bluehi: 9 what
grizz: E followed with the !D9
grizz: 2 tricks ago
grizz: hmm
grizz: things are not looking quite so rosy for N now
grizz: he can clear trumps, but then where would his tricks come from?
grizz: needs some ruffs to bring this one home
grizz: no reason to deviate from Plan A yet
grizz: now E gets a 'twofer'
eubulides: east should lead TO the k of clubs
grizz: and EW set what looked like a cold contract
grizz: N starts with a !H, !d and !c loser
eubulides: n not e
grizz: let's replay that and see what happens if E leads the !c
breck23: Oh dear is it good
grizz: did i miss something?
ydannac: doesn;t 10 lead say 2 honors above lead in that suit
grizz: heavy sigh
grizz: the hand went away
jacquiek: darn
eire1: :(
wyoming33: see in movie
anegada: lol
grizz: but trust me when i say that 9 times out of 10, you do worse when looking for ruffs when holding length in trumps
jacquiek: I would be hard pressed to figure a lead other than the stiff.
grizz: ok, here is another way to figure out what to lead
grizz: start with the worst lead, and eliminate it
wyoming33: it says none OR 2
grizz: stiff is the worst lead when holding long trumps, so eliminate !c
jacquiek: ok.
grizz: so decide among the other 3 suits, eliminating 1 at a time until you have just one left  :)
grizz: then use the lead rules we have talked about to choose the right card
wyoming33: if not playing coded would still play 10 as top of sequence
grizz: right, no difference on that hand
grizz: though not playing coded, it might be an interior sequence
grizz: but pd would know right away, with KQJ in dummy
grizz: what should N do here?
dae: 1nt
grizz: logical choice, but NF
dae: y
robzim: does he show 11 points and bid 2D
grizz: assume that NS are playing SAYC
grizz: so 2!d shows 10+ and 5!d
bluehi: are the playing dury
robzim: oops he has 10 points
grizz: SAYC does not include Drury, but that is a good question
wyoming33: no drury
grizz: now what?
wyoming33: and I always miss it:(
tseager44: 2nt
tseager44: no sorry  3nt
grizz: lol     drury is the second most forgotten convention in bridge
dae: 3nt
jacquiek: 3nt
anegada: what is first ?
grizz: um,    i can't remember   lol
eire1: lol
barbhow: what is themost forgotten?
bluehi: sorry wrong hand
anegada: lolol
PedroG: :)
dae: nmf ,maybe?
grizz: ok, now put on your defender hats and come up with a plan
anegada: lebensohl i bet
dae: unbid major
grizz: there are a lot of conventions that are easy to forget, because you are bidding something not in your hand
robzim: North denied 3 H and south didn't rebid them is that a Clue?
grizz: W has to like his chances of beating this one
grizz: sure
grizz: but does that mean that W should lead !hs?
wyoming33: NOOOOOO
jaymac: no
grizz: :)
PedroG: not with that tenace
robzim: sorry thought E had the lead  :(
grizz: or !d?
grizz: nope to both
wyoming33: just try to get to pard - got to be broke
grizz: here is a prime example of where W should use passive defense
laserxx: 3 of spades
dae: s
leonora3: safest lead
grizz: if W leads low, won't E lead them back?
wyoming33: has to make ops lead to him
grizz: right
grizz: let's do some math
grizz: N has 10+, but did not open
dae: n does NT have 4 s
grizz: count him for 10-11, maybe a bad 12
eubulides: but no opp has 4s, so
grizz: S blasted right to game, so must have 16+
dae: not 3 H
dae: so 8 cards must be in minors
grizz: N does not have 3!hs, and S does not have 6
robzim: leaves E with a maximum of 2
grizz: but back to the honor count
grizz: E can have a max of about 2
grizz: a Q or 2Js
grizz: so W must not help declarer, and should make a passive lead
jacquiek: or not...
grizz: unbid major is usually safe
wyoming33: 9!S
grizz: but W does not want !ss returned, so cannot lead low
tomad: good pt
grizz: lol    E doesn't have much to signal about, but !s is as good as anything
grizz: 7 top tricks, S must scrounge up 2 more
jaymac: But E will never get the lead.......
grizz: uh oh, this does not look good
wyoming33: nother !S
grizz: yup, no reason to switch now
grizz: hmmm
grizz: even less reason to switch now
grizz: ok, now what?
dae: c
grizz: S has a sure 5th !h
grizz: and pd cannot possibly have the !dk
jenna22: take D trick
grizz: right
grizz: cashout time
wyoming33: right and makes unless P has K - which cant have so might as well hope for singleton
grizz: cowabunga!
grizz: now, if W had waited until now to count out the honors, he might get it wrong
grizz: so it's very important to do that counting at the beginning of the hand
grizz: you never know when it might be helpful, but if you leave it for later you can goof
grizz: any questions about that one?
ydannac: tell us about the counting
grizz: ok, early on in the hand, like Trick 1, figure out as much as you can from the auction who has what
grizz: both points and distribution
ydannac: you know th count in the !H and !D 
grizz: you know before a card is played that S has 5!s, and N does not have 3
dae: H
grizz: and N has 5!d, and probably not 4!s
laserxx: you mean hearts
grizz: sry, !h
wyoming33: 5!H
kbacc: hearts
grizz: S has 5!h
grizz: and N has less than 3
ydannac: y
grizz: and N has 5!d, and probably not 4!s
dogoronan1: with a 5 card diamond, and 3 !H, and a GF hand, what would N bid?
->dogoronan1: ask in the open, that's a good question
meo6->Club: cud N have 4D
grizz: and as for the points, scroll up to see that calculation
dogoronan1: with a 5 card diamond, and 3 !H, and a GF hand, what would N bid?
grizz: but E can have at most 2 hcp
grizz: with 3!hs, N would still start with 2!D, showing 10+
dogoronan1: so N could have 3H's
grizz: then S bids 3NT, and N corrects to 4!h
dogoronan1: in this auction
grizz: right
ydannac: is there anyway to win this 3nt
dogoronan1: ah ok
wyoming33: welllllllll - not everyone wd bid it that way with 3 trump
grizz: and S would know that N was 5332
grizz: no, there are lots of ways to bid it
grizz: N might give a 3!h limit raise
grizz: or 2!c drury
grizz: or a meed 2!h
grizz: meek
dae: jump usually promises   4 trumps?
grizz: and hope for some kind of game try from pd
grizz: depends on the system, but usually you need 4 to jump
dotfl: y
grizz: any other questions?
jacquiek: 4 card support for a limit raise to 3?
grizz: on to the next hand then
grizz: ideally, but sometimes it's your best bid with 5332 invitational hand
wyoming33: can give limit raise with 3 card support - and on this hand I wd not bid those !D if I had 3 !H
grizz: y, it's a bad !d suit
dogoronan1: y
grizz: but 2!d accurately shows both shape and strength
meo6: cud u bid 2D with only 4 of them
grizz: and 2!h is a serious underbid
jacquiek: yes
jenna22: could N bid 1nt over opening?
grizz: btw, you can bid 2!d on only 4
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grizz: N could bid 1NT, nonforcing
jenna22: ty
grizz: but would usually have 6-9 or so for that bid
jacquiek: without support
laserxx: or play 2/1 and 1NT forcing
grizz: right
grizz: in 2/1 1!h-1NT is forcing for 1 round, but not by a passed hand
grizz: next hand then
eubulides: is 2h just meek or wrong?
grizz: 2!h is not dead wrong, but is a serious underbid, imho
wyoming33: question please
grizz: assuming 3 card support, rather than the actual hand of course
eubulides: oh. never mind. i tht w doubleton you said meek
wyoming33: when play 2/1 is a 2/1 bid by a passed hand forcing - its not is it
grizz: what now?
grizz: 2/1 bid by passed hand is semi forcing
grizz: pd can pass with trash
wyoming33: same as 1NT
grizz: y
grizz: shows 10+, just as in SAYC
wyoming33: K - thx
dae: 2d?
grizz: is anybody tempted to preempt in !d here?
xfco: no
jenna22: y
dae: but bad because of 4 H
eubulides: no. 4c maj
Wanda310: n with 4c maj
grizz: y, that is a big red flag
grizz: 1.   you might miss a !h fit with pd
grizz: and 2.  with you being long in !hs, makes it less likely that ops have a fit
grizz: which also makes it less likely that you have a !d fit with pd
grizz: and a cardinal of competitive bidding is this:
grizz: if the hand is a misfit, it's better to let ops play in THEIRS, than for us to play in OURS
grizz: now what?
grizz: i like 1!S
grizz: at this vulnerability, you won't get doubled off for a phone number
grizz: and if S has a fit, that's great
grizz: it's much safer to bid it now, than to come in later
dae: 1nt
ydannac: yes you have the double book I do not have it
dae: p
grizz: S is liking the sound of this, hopes ops get to some number of !hs and defenders set up a vicious cross ruff
dae: tourney in 4 minutes?
grizz: ok, we are defenders now
grizz: tourney in 4 minutes, so this will be the last hand, but i will stick around for questions
ydannac: ok
grizz: what should S lead here?
eubulides: 7 d
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xfco: 4th !D lead
grizz: exactly
grizz: with no entries outside the !d suit, low lead is best
PedroG: Pete our session torrow because FRED tourney, can we postpone?
->PedroG: sure, i would like to attend that too   :)
PedroG: oki great
jacquiek: shall we lead p's suit?
grizz: if it goes AKx!D, then N has no way to get to S to cash the long !ds
grizz: not a bad idea, but the NT bidder is behind him and S has a great suit here
grizz: E does not dare duck now
grizz: or does he?
xfco: no
wyoming33: better not
grizz: nope
bluehi: yu see  you sunday
grizz: !s finesse must be offside, no percentage in attacking there
xfco: ty Grizz enjoyed:)  before  we go to tourney 
grizz: ok, good luck to everybody in the tournament, and i'll see you next week  :)
PedroG: ty Pete, great lesson, going to play the tourney, so saying TY and goodbye
->PedroG: adios amigo   
PedroG: :) great lesson
->PedroG: thx   :)
wyoming33: got 15 tables - nice turnout
grizz: great!
laserxx: 5th floor ladies lengerie, going down
grizz: let's go back to Trick 1, and the lead decision
grizz: lol
meo6: ty for good lesson Grizz - 1st time here 
grizz: if we had tried to hit partner's suit, we lose
grizz: glad to see you, we do this every saturday at this time   :)
grizz: but by setting up the !d suit first, we win big
Dianne0516: As a general rule, is it not good to lead ptnrs suit if nt bidder is behind him?
meo6: will mark my calendar
grizz: depends
grizz: lol
grizz: you NEVER lose the post mortem if you lead pd's suit
grizz: but sometimes it's not the best lead
Dianne0516: Depends on how many you have?
kbacc: lol!  indeed
grizz: if you have a good suit of your own, as we do here, it's best to set it up
wyoming33: course with NT bid has shown at least 1 stopper - more likely 2
grizz: right
Dianne0516: right (depends on how many you have)?
grizz: though sometimes folks bid NT on air, hoping to inhibit the lead
tomad: thx from an observer in B.C.
grizz: lol     Tenuki did that to me this morning on Qx
grizz: btw, did you folks see that !s8 signal?
Dianne0516: y
grizz: N has the !hA, but really wants a !s lead when S is out of !ds
eubulides: won't they set it w spade lead if n leads j of d thru e when he gets k of s?
grizz: completing the echo
grizz: and if E ducks !ds twice?
grizz: if S does not lead !d on the go, defenders get only the AK and contract makes
kbacc: enjoyed - ty
grizz: thx for watching
grizz: any more questions?
eire1: yes
Dianne0516: Thanks Pete--I have a question
grizz: fire away
wyoming33: thx for lesson:)
Wanda310: tks Pete !
grizz: :)
Dianne0516: I was of the opinion you do not care for Drury?
grizz: glad to be back, seems like i have been gone for a month, not just a week!
grizz: i like drury, was just commenting that it is frequently forgotten
Dianne0516: What Drury do you prefer?
grizz: that's the first problem, and then there are lots of variations
eubulides: i don't get  the answer about sp lead
wyoming33: yes - every book has slightly different version
grizz: i'll get to the !s lead question next, but let's hash out drury first
grizz: opening bids in 3rd seat are sometimes subminimum
grizz: sometimes in 4th seat too, but less often
grizz: so a passed hand with a limit raise must be cautious
grizz: since P-P-1!s is frequently a bad hand and/or a  4 card suit
grizz: so you don't want to bid 3!s on 3 card support and no !s honors
grizz: so Mr. Drury developed the antidote to that poison
grizz: with P-P-1!s-P-2!c as a limit raise in !s, and asking whether opener has any interest in game under those circumstances
grizz: with the original convention, 2!s showed a full opener, and the auction was constructive thereafter
grizz: most experts now play "Reverse Drury", with rebid of the major showing a hand that is either subminimum or full opener, but not interested in game opposite a  10-12 limit raise
grizz: Law of Total Tricks players like to get a good count on the trump suit, so many of them play 2-Way Reverse Drury
grizz: where P-P-1!S-P-2!c is a 3-card LR, and P-P-1!s-P-2!d is a 4-card LR
Dianne0516: Is there any benefit here?
grizz: where the convention is frequently forgotten is where responder is 6322 in a minor, and forgets that the call is conventional
grizz: and can't put the brakes on after that
grizz: sure
Caitlin: wow you going for LONG time
Dianne0516: LOTT only benefit?
grizz: LOTT says you are safe competing to the level of the combined trumps in both hands
grizz: so with 8 card fit you are safe at the 2 level (8 tricks)
grizz: and with 9 you can compete to 3
grizz: with 2-way Drury you know that right away
->Caitlin: just answering some questions now
grizz: i like yet another way, but that is beyond the scope of this class
Caitlin: maybe say with HCP often you make game with 4-4 fit also - Lott is best for how far to compete in a competitive auction
coco24: is this only when bidding spades
grizz: also works for !hs
grizz: now eubulides had a question about leading a !s on that hand?
grizz: let's replay it and see what happends
eubulides: yes. it looks like, by chance, ns set it even w spade lead
Caitlin: brb hope we can play before dinner@@!!!
grizz: remembering that with the !d lead we beat it by 2 tricks
->Caitlin: :)    wife not home yet
Caitlin: can we play?
eubulides: now h of d, and down 1
->Caitlin: sure
Caitlin: brb
grizz: down 1
wyoming33: yes with !D return - 
grizz: 2 maybe
eubulides: i wasn;t saying it's a better lead, just thought i missed something
grizz: works out the same if declarer guesses wrong
grizz: but the !d lead gives defenders more chances
eubulides: agreed.
Dianne0516: I noticed you discarded 6 !s on diamonds--does that ask for a !h lead, or are you confusing ptnr that you are asking for a !s lead?
grizz: the position was clear at Trick 3, and signals didn't mean anything after that
eire1: After the Drury discussion, here are two simple questions: 1) do you bid weak or strong NTopening personally and 2) do you find DONT or Cap pan out defensively in subsequent play ...
eire1: or are just useful as an interference in the bidding?  Do you think these bids reveal too much to opener?
grizz: N would not win the K if he had the Q too
Caitlin: come on :)))
grizz: one last answer, then gtg
eubulides: ty much, btw
grizz: i like weak nt, but that system can be disaster unless your cardplay is really good
eire1: ty
grizz: 2.  i like modified dont
eire1: what is the modification?
eire1: lol
grizz: capp frequently gets you too high,
eire1: k
eire1: ty
grizz: and dont frequently puts you in a minor when there is a better major fit
wyoming33: everything gets modified:)
eire1: :(
grizz: so in modified dont !h and !s are natural
grizz: !c and !d are the same
eire1: ok - I see
grizz: and X is either one long minor or both majors
grizz: best of both worlds, and works against both weak and strong nt
eire1: tyvm
wyoming33: and no X for penalty
grizz: ok, thx gang, gtg now
grizz: right
eire1: ty
grizz: bye now, seeya next week   :)
Wanda310: thanks Pete for the lesson :)
wyoming33: bye