BILManager (Lobby): => Club: !D!DGrizz's Lesson Table will begin in the BIL in about 5 mins. Today's Lesson is on NT Play and Defense.  All members are invited to attend this very informative lesson!H!H
BILManager (Lobby): => Club: !D!DGrizz's Lesson Table is now open in the BIL. Today's Lesson is on NT Play and Defense.  All members are invited to attend this very informative lesson!H!H
julor: finally learned to find u ehehe
gillyfleur: gm Pete :)
->gillyfleur: :)
BILAssist: do you want any volunteers for today??
->BILAssist: don't think so, it has gone pretty well the last few weeks with the new format
BILAssist: I like it    VERY much!!
grizz: Hi everybody, thanks for attending another of a series of lessons on Defense.  
->BILAssist: :)
JAVIMIC: hi
judi44: ty
sch212: hi
LangeVidar: hi
Dianne0516: Thanks for coming Pete
judi44: hi all
snowclem: hi and thx to you
robzim: !H
grizz: Here we go with the usual stuff.
grizz: Chat logs and hand records are stored in your computer for later review.  For information on how to retrieve them, go the BIL homepage or email me.
grizz: I teach private individual, pair, and small group lessons.  If you would like to know more please email me at Grizz@GrizzBridge.com.
grizz: There will be lots of questions.  I want to address them all, but in a manner helpful to all, so please ask them in open chat.  
l_Novice1: I am registred for a tourney  can I still be here and copy the chat?
->l_Novice1: sure, and if you miss anything just email me for it
l_Novice1: how nice thank you
grizz: I cannot respond to private chat during a lesson.
grizz: We will be playing actual hands and putting into practice all the concepts that we have been talking about.
grizz: The hands will all be NT hands or at least NT auctions, and I will continue to concentrate on defense.
grizz: So think about the auction, opening lead, 3rd hand play, location of honors and hand counts around the table.  
grizz: I will sit in all 4 seats but ask for advice from all the kibs on bids, plays, plans, signals and so forth.
julor->Club: happy sun to all
grizz: We will talk about declarer play a little more as well.
grizz: Any questions before we start?
->julor: :)
citronelle: only thank you for giving us your time
grizz: my pleasure, and thanks to you all for watching
julor: yes t u
mcourt: which hand do we kibitz?
grizz: let's watch all of them today
citronelle: hope soon we can play toguether
l_Novice1: now I was gone for table to tourney   I was too late to cancel the tourney   can anyone copy the chat and send me to suzanne_feldt@ hotmail.com
eubulides: why 1nt?
grizz: would anybody pass here with 4!ss?
LangeVidar: no
HappyMo: no
karseng: no
grizz: very good
starter_1: no
leonora3: game values
citronelle: s has only 15 points
LangeVidar: but, many claims that s has no nt hand?
HappyMo: 15/17 points 1nt
julor: no  but its dangerous to bid with bad  doubletons 
grizz: if N had invitational values he might not have 4!s, but in this auction he must
wgraham27: open 1nt with 2 doubltons ??
grizz: S is semi-balanced
grizz: balanced hands are 4333, 4432, 5332
HappyMo: modern nt
wyoming33: 2 terrible doubletons
karseng: i don't open 1nt with 2 doubletons in majors, but anything else is quite ok with me
grizz: a matter of style
gillyfleur: i still dont like opening nt with 2d/tons
shukran: =karseng :)
HappyMo: I like it
grizz: one worthless doubleton is ok
citronelle: i open with 16-18 points   nt
grizz: 2 is badd
wyoming33: 2 is very bad
julor: dont we play 13 15 nt??
grizz: i will sometimes open 1NT with 6322
karseng: i will not open 1!d here
HappyMo: it's called modern nt
fiveiron70: 15 to 17 NT?
Pear: what is the rule (if any) for opening 1NT with 2 dbltons pls?
grizz: 15-17
karseng: 1!d may get reply of 1nt with north having 10 points
karseng: south will then have a bidding problem?
grizz: i would not open this 1NT if red
bluehi: thought one clased ment aX  kx
grizz: chance of disaster is too great
HappyMo: you are showing your points to your partner
bluehi: closed
wyoming33: :)HI
karseng: white against red, i think 1nt is great - also reduces chances of opponents stealing a partial
grizz: but if you do not open a 15-17 balanced or semi-balanced hand with 1NT, you will miss some good games
grizz: right
HappyMo: yeap
LangeVidar: y
donsanders: 1nt with double doubleton too risky, bid 1 dimond and rebid 2 hearts
HappyMo: I agree
grizz: and it puts maximum pressure on ops when white vs red
donsanders: best show of your hand
eubulides: is same true if 5c major?
karseng: 1!d -> 1nt -> 2!h can result in disaster... say if north had 6 points and 2-2 in reds
grizz: this hand is not big enough for a reverse, by a Q or so
trafalgar2: 3rd in hand and it describes hand well, no good rebid
julor: and p also
spum1: open 1!d and probably end at 3nt
grizz: lol      so we have controversy already, i love it!
citronelle: this with 2 doubletons hard to play
eubulides: if d's were s's, still 1nt?
wyoming33: :)
spum1: so open 1nt
grizz: no, with 5-4 in the majors i would not open 1nt
HappyMo: I love this kind of openning
karseng: if d's were s's 1!s
citronelle: i agree with spum1
karseng: i mean... opps will have to bid 1nt or above to get into auction anyway
grizz: lol     some love it, some hate, some do it some of the time!
karseng: if opps can bid 1nt on top of 1!s opening, you probably don't have game
donsanders: note pard has the black suits!! - that seems typical
karseng: i like 1nt because of white against red, so you're forcing opps into 2nd level
grizz: i maintain that 1NT opening gives you maximum chances of finding a game
citronelle: think an expert must play 3nt with 2 doubletons lol
donsanders: ok, we will go with that
grizz: but the risk of 2 doubletons would outweigh the benefit for me if i were vul
snowclem: maybe if opps get into the bidding but I think u get to 3 nt anyway if not
grizz: ok, NS got to a cheesy NT game, so how do we beat it?
Pear: IF you are going to play 2 dbltons are there any rules regarding the dbltons them selves pls?
grizz: never with 2 worthless doubletons
wyoming33: like hereLOL
grizz: and seldom with 1
HappyMo: when you are vul try to have A or K in your doubleton
donsanders: i will be sure to make a request for one or the other - lol
spum1: always.
grizz: y, and another consideration is what your rebid would be
HappyMo: so go to nt sure if you have it :)
jules101: no point in leading !h so a !s perhaps?
grizz: if you are 4522, rebid is a problem without enough points to reverse
jules101: lead through strength?
grizz: on this hand you are not strong enough to reverse into !h
rq4mulae: make the !cQ a K and i'd open 1NT, but not unguarded Q
grizz: and rebid of !d usually shows 6
grizz: y, i would rather have the Q too
grizz: but remember, partner has some stuff
citronelle: the longest here is d, the rest are only 6 6 6
grizz: and if not you won't get killed at the 1 level
HappyMo: yes we never play alone!!!!!
wyoming33: maybe not too much - P is passed hand
grizz: ok, on to defense now
grizz: there is no point in leading declarer's !hs, so what are the other options?
arcoflecha: how many hcp to reverse, please ?
jules101: !s - lead through strength?
wyoming33: !S - south denies 4
spum1: n's !s
grizz: most good players  say that a reverse is game forcing, for better or worse, so should be 17+
trafalgar2: !c5 do not want to set up!s
arcoflecha: ty
grizz: let's do this backwards
grizz: instead of deciding on the best lead, let's talk about the worst one
karseng: i'll actually lead !c9 to deny honours in suit instead of !c 5
LangeVidar: !h
spum1: prob !h
karseng: oh worst lead?
grizz: !h is worst, do we agree on that?
jules101: !h = worst
PedroG: y
rq4mulae: !hQ/J bad; !h5 ok
snowclem: heart
karseng: isn't !d even worse
grizz: !d is terrible too, very likely to hand declarer an extra trick
grizz: so that leaves the black suits
karseng: i mean... i'm not going to lead from KTx
bluehi: 5s
rq4mulae: !c9
karseng: i'll lead !c 9
spum1: e w get only 1 !D
grizz: if you lead low, you show an honor and can expect partner to return the suit when he gets in
eubulides: ht lead sets up 2 tricks event
snowclem: I would have lead the 5c, but now know 9c is better:)
grizz: N shows 4+!ss
grizz: and south shows 2-3
grizz: so E can have 4 max
bloop2007: i often lead top of nothing, if not sure
spum1: already has 2 !h tricks
rq4mulae: by same token, lead of top of nothing indicates something in the other suits, but aversion to lead them.  :)
grizz: right
grizz: on the other hand
grizz: passive leads against shaky NT contracts frequently don't work out that well
grizz: let's do both, and compare  :)
grizz: now pretend you are East
bluehi: 10sp
shukran: 10
karseng: definite T
grizz: first thing you ask is, can that be 4th best?
karseng: no
grizz: no way
karseng: south cannot have singleton
HappyMo: i'm looking thte dumy so I play 10
jules101: T
grizz: that would leave S with a stiff, and that's very nearly impossible
karseng: i've the 2 in my hand, 3 is out
karseng: so west has queen
karseng: west couldn't have lead from top of nothing
grizz: if S had a stiff !S, it would surely be the A
grizz: so play W for the Q
grizz: does anybody think there is a future in !ss?
PedroG: can E be consfused that this the from 4th best?
spum1: no lead !H 2
rq4mulae: nope.  save the entry
donsanders: no more spades, let them lead to us
karseng: this cannot be 4th best
grizz: cannot posssibly be 4th best
tmrvox: lead H
karseng: south will have a singleton spade
grizz: so must be low from 3
karseng: and low from 3 only happens with honour
karseng: so west has queen
grizz: cannot be doubleton, since E is looking at the 2
rq4mulae: E should lead top !h if only to cut declarer's transportation
karseng: i'd lead 9!h not T
grizz: but the !SA will be valuable as an entry for !hs leads, right?
grizz: and the !CK too
HappyMo: don't use !s
karseng: more descriptive of my holding
HappyMo: we will wait for them
karseng: why T!h?
grizz: low !h would suggest the A or K and ask for return of the suit
rq4mulae: tends to promise 9 and also nothing higher
karseng: i'd lead 9
grizz: remember the lead rules for Trick 2-13 - low encourages, high spot card discourages
karseng: but isn't 9 also a high spot card?
karseng: i wanted to use 9 also hint to partner that i may have T
grizz: besides, if S has a !H tenace, this lead makes him play from it
leonora3: 9 denies the 10
grizz: right, 9 would deny the T
rq4mulae: 9 implies nothing about 10; 10 implies 9
karseng: 9 denies T?
karseng: T can be from Txx or Tx
grizz: assume standard signals
grizz: y, could be
wyoming33: right - lead top of doubleton - follow with bottom of doubleton
grizz: but 9 would deny the T
arcoflecha: only in nt ? low encourage ??
karseng: ok...
rq4mulae: continue!
grizz: the lead rules for T2-T13 are low encourages, high spot card discourages return of that suit
grizz: and
grizz: overrules whatever the lead was to T1
grizz: because the opening lead was made without seeing the dummy, or the play to the first couple tricks
arcoflecha: this rules t2-t13 are only for nt ?
grizz: the situation becomes clearer after a few cards have been played
Jaf1935: but it is normal if i got a solid amont of cards i must lead the highest that i do not fool my p
grizz: and that rule applies to suit contracts too
arcoflecha: ty
grizz: what should E do now?
rq4mulae: !h9
trafalgar2: !h9
arcoflecha: heart again
spum1: 9!h
grizz: !h looks really good now, but which one?
HappyMo: still playing !h 9
grizz: right
jules101: 2
grizz: now we have an unblock situation
spum1: cover dummy 8!h
leonora3: play what you are known to hold?
grizz: W is the long hand, and may not have an entry outside !hs
spum1: agree
rq4mulae: 9 forces honor by declarer of forfeit another trick
grizz: and the 8 in dummy is smothered too, that's a Good Thing
grizz: W has an opportunity
grizz: to give a signal
rq4mulae: low !c
grizz: assume that the !s suit is not a candidate for a shift
eubulides: j of h to indic d entry
grizz: so the choices are !d and !C
karseng: is there any real need to signal?
trafalgar2: Q
karseng: who will choose !c with east anyway
grizz: to show the !d entry, play the higher of the 2 cards
wyoming33: not really since can see dummy - 
grizz: notice that this is valuable information for E
karseng: i'm not going to play into AJ with K
wyoming33: but get in habit of thinking ahead
grizz: but S can read signals too
grizz: unfortunately, the knowledge does not help S at all
grizz: but it helps E a LOT!!!
karseng: wait
karseng: why heart
grizz: ok
karseng: why not try a low spade
grizz: !h cannot give anything away
rq4mulae: and makes declarer lead
grizz: right
karseng: now you lose the ace !s winner
grizz: why help declarer out?
karseng: declarer takes rest with 2!c and 4!d
dotfl->Club: a teaching table ser it up for imps
grizz: right you are
karseng: declarer cashes !d ace and queen
wyoming33: thats true
karseng: then !c jack and ace
karseng: with low spade declarer MAY even play KING
karseng: though it won't happen anyway
grizz: true
grizz: good observation on cashing out
grizz: W should know that E has the A, because S avoided !ss like the plague
wyoming33: thats justice for opening 1NT with2 lousy doubletons LOL
karseng: S didn't beat the T
grizz: lol
karseng: with KJ in dummy ace must be with E
karseng: by the T i meant the first trick
grizz: ok, !s lead puts the contract down 2, lets try it again with a !c lead
eubulides: would 5h lead have had same result?
LangeVidar: n
grizz: turns out on this hand that low !h would not hurt, but what if S has the T?
Jaf1935: does the 9 promiss something
wyoming33: no - dont return this suit
grizz: ordinarily the 9 would be the top of sequence, or the top of nothing
Jaf1935: I heard it promisses 2 higher
karseng: high spot card on lead says no honours
bluehi: 0 or 2 higher
karseng: usually
grizz: or perhaps showing 2 higher, including the T
grizz: QT9x
karseng: oh.. hmm
grizz: or KT9x
grizz: if playing coded 9 and T
HappyMo: oh i didn't know it
Jaf1935: aha thx
karseng: anyway with dummy it becomes clear
karseng: that 9 is top of nothing
HappyMo: ok
karseng: but yeah i didn't know about coded 9 or T
grizz: if not, should be the top of a sequence, top of an interior sequence, or top of nothing
grizz: interior sequence would be Q987
grizz: K987
grizz: J 987
grizz: etc
karseng: what do you do with Q98
jules101: not lead it!
grizz: with Q986, i would treat it as if it were Q987
grizz: otherwise i would look for a better lead
wyoming33: have been told that top of interior seq needs to be an honor - 
wyoming33: 10 or higher
grizz: T or 9 is fine as interior sequence
grizz: just needs to be big enough to drive out an honor if partner is broke
grizz: what should E do here?
grizz: wait
spum1: low
LangeVidar: low
grizz: let's go back to the opening lead
grizz: the 4 would be a lie, showing an honor
grizz: some folks play MUD from 3 small, Middle, Up, Down
grizz: and others play 2nd highest from no interest in a suit of any length
Jaf1935: 3rd highest
grizz: so the 5 would be your play at MUD
Jaf1935: k
grizz: and also technically your play at 2/4, as second highest
grizz: but it can be confusing, especially if declarer false cards
rq4mulae: i thought MUD was for leads of p's suit, no?
grizz: so i like the 9 as sending the clearest message to E
grizz: works for unbid suits too, if that is your agreement
HappyMo: so take the hand
rq4mulae: i thought MUD was for leads of p's suit, no?
->rq4mulae: works for unbid suits too, if that is your agreement
grizz: now what?  put on your declarer hats
LangeVidar: !d A and small !d
trafalgar2: 2!d
grizz: 4 more tricks off the top, 2 already in the bag
grizz: need 3 more
grizz: and looks like !cs won't work
rq4mulae: small !c to A and return !dJ
grizz: so !d is only choice
grizz: but you don't want to burn your !s stopper to take the finesse
spum1: low d
grizz: what to do?
spum1: to j
LangeVidar: !d A ansd small
grizz: check this out:
karseng: i'd actually play !h ace first
jules101: low to J, duck a !d and then A gains control again
rq4mulae: now your only entry is diamond
grizz: no downside to cashing the !HA
karseng: claim
karseng: now declarer claims the rest
karseng: how will we know when to make an aggressive lead and when to make passive ones?
spum1: sure got a lot out of one hand
grizz: so this hand bears out my earlier assertion, that a passive lead frequently does not work out well
karseng: so against seemingly thin 3nt bids, lead aggressively?
grizz: and the reason goes back to the whole landscape of NT
grizz: where each side races to establish and cash its tricks
grizz: again, no system works all the time
grizz: and on any given hand, the wrong strategy can be right
grizz: but in the fullness of time, you will see that aggressive leads usually work better
grizz: well, i think that's all the issues in this hand, shall we move on?
cedros: pls
karseng: yeah
grizz: or try a !h lead>?
shukran->Club: Y
Teddymom: y
Dianne0516: I would never lead hearts here with south bidding them
arcoflecha: yessss
grizz: y, !h is beyond terrible here
grizz: hardly worth discussing
grizz: but remember the strategy on deciding what suit to lead
grizz: working from worst to best, when none look great
LangeVidar: to lead the strong hands suit, leads to disaster
grizz: what should N bid?
PedroG: 1d
grizz: or !c?
karseng: for me, 4-4 minors = 1!d
shukran: 1!d
LangeVidar: 1!c
karseng: 3-3 minors = 1!c
PedroG: d
Teddymom: D
spum1: d
leonora3: better minor, p may have 4 diamonds
grizz: if you bid 1!c, what will your rebid be?
LangeVidar: 1 nt
shukran: reverse
grizz: not big enough to reverse
karseng: you can't reverse with that kind of hand, can you?
grizz: not long enough to rebid !c
shukran: if want bid !d
grizz: so 1NT rebid is ok
stefsched: with 4/4 in minors, i thought under sayc you bid the !ds
grizz: 3 small !s don't look great, but should be no obstacle to bidding 1NT
karseng: erm but he has Kxx
grizz: without enough points to reverse, i like the !d opener
grizz: sry, looking at wrong hand
leonora3: p has passed
LangeVidar: you can miss 8 c !c
grizz: the !hs don't look so hot in the N, but 1NT rebid is ok anyway
grizz: 1NT or 2!c?
LangeVidar: 1nt
trafalgar2: 1NT
cedros: 2cl
PedroG: 1nt
karseng: 1nt for sure
shukran: 1 NT
Teddymom: 1NT
wyoming33: 1NT describes the hand
grizz: 1NT shows balanced minimum without 4!hs, so is a perfect description of the hand
karseng: it also shows <4!s right
grizz: right, denies !ss
grizz: so implies !cs
grizz: and that solves missing the !c fit problem
karseng: but north could very well have 3343
grizz: now what?
grizz: indeed
shukran: pass
leonora3: no game
maye 9: 2nt
grizz: but S still knows the hand within very narrow limits
LangeVidar: 11 = 2nt
snowclem: game should have pts
karseng: i'd pass here
PedroG: invite 
Dianne0516: invite
PedroG: 12+11 = 23
grizz: game is possible, but very iffy
grizz: with 11 and no 5 card suit, i would pass
karseng: i wouldn't invite with 3433
gillyfleur: no long suit to run
grizz: in fact, i would subtract a point for the 4333, and call it 10
trafalgar2: 4333 shape not good 
karseng: opposite either a 3343 or a 3244
karseng: and no fit
cedros: spades are risky
grizz: many beginners would invite on 'points', and get punished at 2 or even 3NT]
LangeVidar: migth have 3253 and 14
Dianne0516: doesn't 24 hcp often produce game in 3nt?
grizz: right, N might be 5332
karseng: move the king spade to king diamond, and put a jack spade in spades
grizz: yes, 12-12 is odds on to make 3NT
spum1: if 5 d second bid d not nt
karseng: that's still pretty screwed
grizz: but not 13-10
karseng: no rebid is 6+!d
karseng: isn't it?
grizz: so S should be feeling very comfortable here
grizz: rebid of the minor shows at least 5, and 95% of the time shows 6
grizz: so put on your E hat now, and pick a lead
jules101: !s
shukran: 2!s
spum1: 2 s.
PedroG: J!s
grizz: yup, that's the only one that makes sense
wyoming33: 2!S
LangeVidar: !s 2
grizz: !SJ?
PedroG: interior seq
grizz: without the T?
karseng: there's no sequence here
jules101: J would promise T wouldn't it?
PedroG: opps
PedroG: :)
grizz: from AJT9 i would agree   :)
PedroG: 3 on interior seq Pete?
PedroG: or only 2
Teddymom: why not the 10 of spades?
grizz: y, something like JT9. T98
bluehi: tu need to go
karseng: because south is dummy
karseng: north's hand is hidden
grizz: or if the 3 card misses by only 1 spot, like T97
karseng: low spot lead from east... i'll just play my highest
grizz: why not the !ST?
jules101: 6
grizz: because that would be finessing partner
spum1: rule of 11
wyoming33: north may have J
grizz: there is no honor in dummy to finesse, so W must play high to protect partner's holding
grizz: if the J were in dummy, the T would be right of course
grizz: and it's frequently right to finesse an honor in dummy, as when you have the AJ over the K
grizz: if dummy plays low, finesse the J
grizz: but where dummy is broke, win the trick
grizz: N cannot afford to duck now, for fear of losing 4 or 5 !s tricks off the top
grizz: so let's count tricks now
grizz: 1!S
grizz: 1!h
grizz: 1!D
grizz: 2!c
grizz: 5 tricks off the top
grizz: need 2 more
grizz: might come from !h or !C
karseng: one more heart and one more club... with QJ hearts and JT clubs it's definitely possible
wyoming33: 1 more for sure in !C
grizz: right, good chances in both suits
shukran: easy :)
karseng: now to try for O/T haha
grizz: there is one critical difference between the !h and !c suits, can anybody spot it?
LangeVidar: 6/7
grizz: exactly
jules101: danger hand
trafalgar2: missimg 1!c honour only
snowclem: more power in clubs
grizz: there is no possibility of establishing a length winner in !hs
grizz: with 7 out, one op must have at least 4
wyoming33: !H 10 is missing
grizz: and that's a big card
grizz: also, !s is a looming threat
grizz: we need to choose a line of play and go for it
shukran: !c
karseng: try ace !c
grizz: i like !cs, for those and a couple other reasons
grizz: right, the Q might be stiff in either hand
grizz: we will have to take the finesse, but first it's right to cash a top honor
grizz: we can preserve the !h finesse for later
grizz: and the !d suit is chunky enough to withstand attack, so we'll use it for transportation
grizz: cover or not?
LangeVidar: y
Pear: no
karseng: i will cover
shukran: no
yacout: y
xfco: y
Pear: it wone make any difference
jaymac: ;makes no difference
wyoming33: not here it doesnt - but east may have the 10 so cover
grizz: won't make any difference here, but good form to cover and possibly promote a high spot card for pard
LangeVidar: try to raise p's hand cover
karseng: here it makes no difference, but i think it's more pertinent to discuss which is more mathematically correct?
Pear: unlees clubs are all on one side
karseng: as far as i'm concerned... i see a doubleton left in my hand... so i cover
grizz: right, if possible to promote a card for pd, then cover
shukran: yes cover  a 10 cound be with pd
shukran: could
grizz: didn't work here, but was still the correct play
grizz: what now?
spum1: j h
grizz: E to play on the !c8
Caitlin: you still here???
LangeVidar: !d 9
Pear: 9!S's?
grizz: need to keep the !ss
karseng: i'll toss a low heart
spum1: 9 s
karseng: and cover when declarer finesses hearts
grizz: y, !h K is dead
shukran: 3!h
grizz: and for W?
Dianne0516: why not throw a worthless spade here?
karseng: T!s
grizz: sure
trafalgar2: !s10
grizz: importantly, do NOT pitch a !h
spum1: 10 s
grizz: keep length with dummy
grizz: it may be important for E to know that N does not have that !ST
grizz: cover, promote
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grizz: ok, that one made 3 by pure dumb luck
grizz: anybody think it should be bid?
wyoming33: LOL - 
karseng: it was <25%
karseng: therefore no
grizz: right
Dianne0516: I would bid 2nt, assuming Grizz was my ptnr :)
LangeVidar: invite, yes, but raise to 3 no
wyoming33: finesses work
grizz: switch the !hK and !cQ and see what happens!
karseng: i wouldn't even have invited actually
karseng: with 4333 and no fit
grizz: one other thing
gillyfleur: sry htg many thanks!
grizz: N was pretty sure that game was off
grizz: but that there was plenty of stuff to make 1NT, or even 2
grizz: and also was sure that NS had enough defense to punish EW if they got frisky
grizz: so
grizz: just because an op passes 1NT, don't assume that he is broke!
grizz: he may be a very dangerous defender, just waiting to double off a balancing bid
Caitlin: they have to do tourney
grizz: ok, let's break now so you guys can go play the tourney
grizz: any last questions?
Dianne0516: Thanks Pete
shukran: ty
BILAssist: Great Lesson, Grizz     THANKS!!!
karseng: thank you grizz
snowclem: thx
grizz: my pleasure   :)
LangeVidar: ty, great learning
wyoming33: thanks for lesson
trafalgar2: ty;)
xfco: thank you Pete enjoyed
PedroG: ty Pete
bayoub: thx very much from a woeful beginner
spum1: ty
beryl8: !
Teddymom: Thanks Pete
grizz: you guys are a great group, thx for participating
stefsched: ty so much!  Great lesson
->beryl8: :)
mcourt: Txs Pete
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babamata: thanks Grizz
grizz: and good luck to everybody in the tournament
->babamata: :)
grizz: bye now, and i'll see all next week
PedroG: I'm all mess up on defense Pete :)
Caitlin: bye:))
->PedroG: we can work on that   :)
->Caitlin: seeya later   !H