grizz: Hi everybody, thanks for attending another of a series of lessons on Defense.  
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grizz: There will be lots of questions.  I want to address them all, but in a manner helpful to all, so please ask them in open chat.  
grizz: As always i encourage participation by all kibs
grizz: So jump right in with a comment, question, or bid at any time, but please do it in open chat...
grizz: ...since I can't always respond to private chat.
ydannac: ok
grizz: Does anybody need a review on the 5 Lines of Defense?  or should we get right to the hands?
grizz: I will just hit the high spots
grizz: 1.  Force declarer to ruff, and lose control of his own trump suit.
grizz: 2.  Active defense.
grizz: 3.  Passive defense.
grizz: 4.  Reduce ruffing power.
grizz: 5.  Create trump tricks.
grizz: Now let's get to the quiz hands.
camilleln: std carding?
grizz: assume standard carding
grizz: W has a decision to make now.  what next?
Juiceplus: low
robzim: low
pzee: !hA
abrown1: high club spade
grizz: and then what?
grizz: right
abrown1: A h
pzee: !s
grizz: E heard S's !c bid, so the small one from W must be a singleton
Juiceplus: then play the !S
grizz: there is one other possible line of defense too, leading to the same result
grizz: on this hand it makes no difference
grizz: but if W had 3 trumps, it would make a 1-trick difference
grizz: again, would require a different dummy layout
grizz: but if W has 2 trumps left and dummy has only low ones, Trick 3 will be an underlead, is a !c ruff,
grizz: 5 is !SA, 6 is !s ruff and 7 is another !c ruff
grizz: here dummy can overruff the !s without losing a natural trump trick
grizz: any questions on this one?
malestrom2: why doesnt S bid 3 hearts to show more 
grizz: S has only 12 hcp
grizz: and the neg X only guarantees 7+ at the 1-level
grizz: or 8+ at the 2-level
grizz: and 10+ at 3
grizz: so S does not really have an invitational hand, and 2!h is the best way to show that
grizz: while it is true that S has only 6 losers, there are a lot of soft values here in Qs and Js
grizz: S has a hand that might accept an invitation, but should be reluctant to make one in this auction
grizz: any other questions before we move on?
grizz: For this hand, pretend you are East and plan the defense
grizz: hint - it's not intuitively obvious
HG2: overtake
Juiceplus: lol
Flaskemand: A!H
pzee: !hA
pzee: then return !h
grizz: here is what goes through E's mind
grizz: they get 2!hs and a !s
grizz: if S needs the minor finesses, they are onside
grizz: so where will the 4th trick come from?
pzee: trump promotion
grizz: only 1 possibility, in trumps
grizz: so first let's get the groundwork done
grizz: E must ruff, but which card?
grizz: and why?
Flaskemand: A
grizz: exactly
grizz: and now look what just happened - a trump trick has just been created in the W!
Juiceplus: but regularly we dont see the hands open...
grizz: if S leads trumps off the board, S ducks if E plays high
grizz: then his KQ pick up the Jx in W
finar: always consider this 
grizz: yes, and of course it won't always work
grizz: but the point is that it might work
grizz: and if defense doesn't give it the chance, it can't
wyoming33: and seemed only chance to defeat and nothing lost
grizz: if W has no trump to promote, it makes no difference
grizz: so either you win, or you don't lose with this line of defense
grizz: does it get much better than that?
onoway: :)
grizz: it's a matter of visualization of card combinations that might be in pard's hand
grizz: here are the clues on this hand:
pzee: as you said, it is counterintuitive :)
grizz: 1.  the minors are a source of tricks
certagen: 2 conditions: p declared a 6-carder so
grizz: 2.  E has only 2 trumps, so pard might have 3+
robzim: what are the page numbers on the hand when it shows up as "the lesson"?
grizz: These concepts are out of the book "How The Experts Win At Bridge" by Burt Hall and Lynn Rose-Hall.
robzim: Thank you 
grizz: It was the 1997 Book Of the Year
grizz: and has a lot of good stuff, not just on defense
grizz: Back to West now, for the kibs
sevenannie: i havent found where to click for lesson
grizz: the lesson here will be in the chat, not in  the hand record - so don't worry about that
grizz: Sitting as West, plan the defense.
abrown1: trump clubs for E
grizz: here are a couple hints:
Flaskemand: !S A
grizz: W has trump control with the A
abrown1: A c lead
grizz: and ops both bid !cs
grizz: with W looking at 4!cs
pzee: !cA
wyoming33: P prob short in !C
grizz: very good
grizz: right, E prob. only has 1 or 2
abrown1: shd E play 7 first
grizz: E will later get the !hK for down 1
grizz: but without the !c lead, this is an easy make
grizz: so this hand was a simple piece of detective work
grizz: listen to the auction, and visualize what pard's hand looks like
grizz: then the hard part, act on the information and formulate the correct plan for the defense
grizz: but when you have trump control, always be thinking about how you can best use it
wyoming33: better look at CC and see if ops playing HSGT or  long suit game try
grizz: they are largely the same -
grizz: HSGT shows 3+, LSGT is 4+
wyoming33: shd HSGT be alerted 
grizz: but in this case 3!c was not hsgt, only showing fit in pard's first bid suit
abrown1: think so
Juiceplus->Club: whats HSGT?
wyoming33: help suit asks for help in the suit prob shows losers
grizz: y, HSGT should be alerted as may be only 3
grizz: HSGT is Help Suit Game Try
grizz: or trial bid, as the Brits say
Juiceplus: thx
grizz: showing a suit where the bidder has values, and asking whether pard has a good fit there and extras
JohnnyHiLo: any requirements for honors in the help suit?
grizz: actually the HSGT tells 2 things, and asks a third:
grizz: should be at least 1 honor, usually more
grizz: AQx, KTx, AJT, etc
grizz: an honor holding with "holes" in it
grizz: that honors in pard's hand would fill
grizz: so the HSGT says:
grizz: 1.  i have extras, and interest in game
certagen: or 3 small losers?
grizz: 2.  i have a broken honor holding in this suit
grizz: 3.  do you have extras too pard?   and if so, do we have a fit in this suit?
grizz: no, 3 small is not a help suit
JohnnyHiLo: in this case partner has bid clubs. doesnt have to though?
wyoming33: acording to Root and Pavlicek it is bidders weakest side suit - asking for help
grizz: this tool is for allowing partner to evaluate his side suit holding, to determine whether they have a double fit
certagen: no. I mean you ask for help with more than 2 losers?
grizz: that is one definition
grizz: another is the lowest ranking side suit in which help is needed
grizz: bypassing any suits that are either worthless or solid
wyoming33: now I know why I dont play HSGT - seems to be no agreement on its meaning
grizz: btw, if pard's answer is "no", i don't have extras, then it doesn't much matter whether there is a fit or not
grizz: a word about root and pavlicek -
grizz: they are both top notch players, teachers and writers
grizz: but their book on conventions does not go into great depth on any of them
grizz: so there is a lot of information "between the lines", or not stated at all
grizz: i like the book, i own it and refer to it from time to time
grizz: always with that caveat about not being comprehensive
grizz: any other questions about this one?
JohnnyHiLo: is there something definitive?
grizz: Hardy is more complete, but not so easy to comprehend
JohnnyHiLo: what is the title?
grizz: and a lot of the info is in the illustration hands
grizz: lol    can't recall, but i have the yellow, red and blue versions   :)
JohnnyHiLo: its not 2/1 game force?
grizz: y, that's it
abrown1: lots of little books just on ONE convention if really want comprehensive
JohnnyHiLo: yes . great book. requires careful reading
grizz: y, mike lawrence has a series of pamphlets on single areas
grizz: !s8 is an encouraging signal
grizz: what now from the East?
grizz: hint - E has some nice middle trump cards
Flaskemand: !S
MargoM: 5D
grizz: but doesn't that give S a ruff and sluff?
abrown1: lead spade to promote h trumps
Flaskemand: night promote the 9
Flaskemand: might
grizz: answer - yes, but it's still right
grizz: now no matter how S plays, E will score a trump
grizz: it required that W had a particular card, the !HT
grizz: but if pard does not have that card, nothing else works anyway
grizz: so giving up a ruff and sluff can be right, if it does something else good for your side
certagen: difficult to foresee...a small H wouldn't do
grizz: like promoting a trump
grizz: true, but then nothing works anyway
Little Kid: is that what is called an uppercut?
grizz: yes, this is called an uppercut
grizz: and at the table, when you have an opportunity to ruff and several cards to choose from, ask yourself a question
grizz: is it possible for pard to have a trump that might be promoted?
JanaDe: sounds right to me
grizz: if you have a card as big as a 9, it might force an honor
grizz: the same question should ring in your head if declarer leads a card off dummy and you have to decide whether to cover
grizz: if pard could have Jxx, or Txx, you should cover the first time
grizz: since the second might be too late
grizz: if pard cannot have a promotable card, then it makes little difference
grizz: but if you allow for the possibility, sometimes it will work
grizz: any questions on this one?
grizz: That concludes today's lesson, and next week we will continue quiz hands on these different lines of defense at the table.
grizz: BTW, your satisfaction is guaranteed, or the next lesson is free!    :)
robzim: is this class an hour or 1 1/2 hours?  Whatever, I have to leave in a couple of minutes and will see you tomorrow :) As always, a GREAT class 
pzee: thanks, pete
PedroG: ty Pete
->robzim: done for today  :)
ydannac: THANKS GRIZZ !H!H:)
wyoming33: LOL - thanks :)
dmfav: thank you! 
abrown1: thx 
rememberpe: thank you
ladygolf: LOL, thanks Pete
Juiceplus: :):)
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JohnnyHiLo: once again, terrific lesson. thanks
onoway: thanks Pete :)
grizz: Thanks for your interest and participation, and I hope to see you next week.
whiz: lolol  ty  pete :)
robzim: Thanks so much Pete !H  Wonderful Class :)
grizz: Thanks also to Maureen, Rosemary, Fred and the wonderful people at BBO who make this all possible.
camilleln: ty :)
grizz: Thanks all for coming, i'll see you in a week
terrierx2: thank you
robzim: and to all you devoted teachers who pass so much wisdom on to us!
guyb2: How retrieve hand records?
grizz: lol    i almost forgot to claim again
certagen: thxs. I love defense!! wish I knew how & when to use all these concepts.
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grizz: bye now