grizz: Hi everybody, thanks for attending another of a series of lessons on Defense. grizz: Here we go with the usual stuff, plus another change. grizz: Chat logs and hand records are stored in your computer for later review. For information on how to retrieve them, go the BIL homepage or email me. gillyfleur: HI PETE SEE AM JUST IN TIME! ->gillyfleur: :) grizz: Some players are having trouble saving the hand records, and I just discovered one possible reason. grizz: Everybody please click now on your own name box. grizz: To do that, hover your cursor over the upper left hand corner of the screen, where it says Board 1. grizz: That will pop up a list of all the kibitzers here now. grizz: Your BBO nickname will be on that list, even if you are invisible. grizz: Right-click on your BBO nickname, and that pops up an Options box. grizz: Click on the tab at the top, they are listed in this order: , , , etc. grizz: Look in the lower left-hand corner in the "Log deals" box. Checkbox options are , , and . grizz: Make sure that is checked, and then these hands will be saved on your own computer for later review. grizz: Everybody got it? Any questions? PedroG: ty Pete :) lenia1: tks nome: BUT YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE END AND CLAIM OTHERWISE IT WOULD NOT rojune: have to click on apply too I think:) grizz: rght, so please remind me if i forget ndrebes: tu! grizz: OK, I teach private individual, pair, and small group lessons. If you would like to know more please email me. grizz: My old email at grizz.den@gmail.com still works, but I have a new one too, Grizz@BrizzBridge.com. Fazza: bridge for breakfast then? Canuckstan: GrizzBridge? Fazza: sry privat grizz: lol grizz: Grizz@GrizzBridge.com grizz: Fat fingers strike again Canuckstan: Bridge is a Brizz with Grizz grizz: rofl grizz: The new website is not up yet, and won't be for a while. The site is still under development. gillyfleur: I have that box clicked but havent managed to find the hands yet! donsanders: I felt the wind grizz: If you have any ideas about what you would like to see on the site, please let me know. grizz: I plan to use it as an archive for lesson chat logs and hand records, but there must be other things you folks would like to see there too. analisals->Club: forgot to say "check OK" grizz: Please email me with any ideas at Grizz@GrizzBridge.com. analisals: you forgot to say "checkOK" for nerds like me wyoming33: hi Babe!H ->analisals: :) grizz: There will be lots of questions. I want to address them all, but in a manner helpful to all, so please ask them in open chat. grizz: I cannot respond to private chat during a lesson. grizz: Last week we talked about notrump defense, talked about 3rd hand play to Trick 1, and started work on signalling. grizz: We will do more of that today, but first we will look at a real hand. This is to remind us of what this is all about. grizz: We have been so involved in the details, that it is easy to lose sight of the big picture. grizz: The hand is up already, and you can kib all 4 hands to get the big picture grizz: First of all, I do not recommend this auction. East-West had never played together, we advanced players at an expert table, and had not discussed style. cdt: lol grizz: They had discussed system, agreeing on SAYC, but they had not discussed style. grizz: That is, neither of them said either in chat or in their profile that they play "light openers", "conservative early but aggressive in placing contract", "I always have my bid", ... grizz: "flaky weak 2s", or anything like that. donsanders: lol grizz: These little hints about your style can be more important than your system, as we shall see. grizz: It just takes a phrase in your profile. 1!h by East was aggressive, but not insane. Only 10 hcp, but 7 losers, a 6-card major and two protected Kings. grizz: Not vulnerable I might open this hand, since it has an easy rebid, but fully aware of the flaws. grizz: Most of the strength is outside the trump suit, the suit itself is long but weak, the honors do not work together, and there is no source of tricks. grizz: You may be tempted to open this as a weak 2, and that's not terrible either but again the suit is bad. gimit: Isn't it better to open it 2 hearts? grizz: I used to open this kind of weak 2 with delight, but 20 years of bad results has convinced me of the wisdom of disciplined weak 2's, with 2 of the top 3 honors or 3 of the top 5. grizz: I rarely miss a good result this way, and never suffer self-inflicted disaster either. donsanders: that has been beat into my head also Grizz grizz: lol grizz: yes, there is an inescapable Darwinian aspect to bridge grizz: If I open this hand, I drag anchor all the way. grizz: Anyway, for better or worse East opened 1!h, and the punishment did not fit the crime. grizz: Now, back to the auction. grizz: I passed, and West playing SAYC had a fairly good hand. 11 hcp, a 6-bagger of her own, a nice Ace in partner's suit, and a little something in every suit. grizz: In SAYC a 2/1 response requires only 10+, and with a 6-card !c suit there is nothing to criticize about 2!c. grizz: But the flaws in the hand are weak !cs, singleton in partner's major, and honors again are not working together. grizz: In particular, shortness in partner's major is not a good thing. grizz: When East rebid 2!h, announcing a minimum with long !hs and no !c fit, West should pass. grizz: The rule for bidding with misfits is the same as the rule for getting out of holes: plaur: in SYAc doesnt 2/1 promise rebid ? grizz: Stop digging!!! sharon J: ll grizz: Not if opener rebids his suit grizz: It turns out the 2!h does not make, losing 1!s, 1!h, 2!d and 2!c but NV and undoubled this would not be disaster. grizz: But West liked the extra !c, the !HA and side entries in both hands, and proposed 2NT. grizz: East was a gamer, so unwisely took the push to 3NT. grizz: And then the carnage began. grizz: Sidebar: North-South are playing upside down count and attitude here, so low encourages, high discourages, and hi-lo shows odd when giving count. grizz: This is the reverse of standard methods, and needs to be preannounced at the table. rq4mulae: in udca, you don't lead from top of sequences? grizz: leads are the same as standard - udca only refers to 3rd hand signals grizz: The !d lead is best here, with the 5-card suit and possible entries in both majors. grizz: You may wonder why I played the Q here, when the rule is that you play the lowest of touching honors. grizz: Here is an exception. When you have a doubleton honor vs. NT, playing them out of order is a wake-up call to partner about distribution on the hand. grizz: With the 9 in dummy North cannot afford to overtake and continue the suit, so she follows low. grizz: The !sT is another unusual play. We have talked every session about J denies and coded 9 and T, and how the T or 9 shows 0 or 2 higher. grizz: That is absolutely true of the lead at Trick 1, but the rules are different in the middle of the hand. super01: north should plays king then t wyoming33: but the ace and 9 both fall grizz: Much simpler too. A low card shows interest in the suit, a high one does not. grizz: I did not want partner to continue !s, so I intentionally misled her about the !s honor position in order to suggest a !c switch. Watch how this plays out. rq4mulae: declarer down 1 already. grizz: udca, hi-lo shows odd count grizz: but you don't signal count with honors grizz: Now I fessed up about the !SJ, and got an encouraging signal from partner (Upside Down Count and Attitude, or UDCA is still at work here). analisals->Club: can yu spell out for us when and when not udca is appropriate? grizz: yikes! analisals: sorry about that grizz: npp grizz: udca is a choice that must be agreed upon by the partnership grizz: we will talk about the pluses and minuses of udca later analisals: ok:-) grizz: The rest of the hand was a mop-up operation. East-West bid 3NT, but North-South took 9 tricks after questionable bidding and good defense, for 10.1 imps undoubled! kyno40: qu ? grizz: go rq4mulae->Club: 2.5 quick tricks soundly whipping 4 says something about intermediates? grizz: Absolutely kyno40: if you are vun would you open 1h ? grizz: Never kyno40: ty grizz: Unless grizz: It was late in a match, we were down, and needed to make something happen nedsr->Club: on the 2nd trick why not take the K!d and lead the 10 setting up the diamonds ? grizz: Then it makes sense to risk a big minus to gain a big plus kyno40: ok :) analisals: am still with Memti ahd have a mentor who plays an hour with me every night, so don't have any more time right now. good luck he iwas my mentor and a good teacher. Maybe in a few ... analisals: months I will check back with you. tThanks grizz: That would have worked too, as it turns out grizz: But partner did not find that play at the table, and we still did ok grizz: Patience, planning and good (but unusual) signals won big. rq4mulae: i don't understand 10 IMPs. can EW make +200 with anything other than NS overbidding? :) nedsr: you know it will work because you have the count dont you ? grizz: sure, the upside down play of the QJ tipped that off grizz: the hands in bbo are scored across the whole field, and there are always some really unusual scores analisals: Sam wyoming33: thats for sure Dianne0516: Like someone makes 7 with 4 aces missing :) grizz: lol grizz: We will skip the rules and leads this week, since we have done them each of the last 7 sessions. grizz: Here are the rules for 3rd hand play to Trick 1: grizz: 1. Win the trick, unless there is a good reason not to. grizz: 2. Give Attitude on partner's lead - tell him whether to continue the suit or switch. grizz: 3. Give Count on declarer's lead, to help partner figure out suit distribution around the table. grizz: Finally, here are the rules for leads from Trick 2 through Trick 12: grizz: 1. A low spot card shows honors, and an interest in developing tricks in that suit. grizz: 2. A high spot card shows no interest. grizz: All clear, and easy to understand, right? Are there any questions? grizz: Now we are going to see how applying these rules for leading and following let us figure out who has what and how many, beginning at Trick 1. wyoming33: :) hunen (Lobby): hi grizz: We will do things a little differently this week. Click on the yellow gear at the bottom of the screen, look at the bottom right and click the box to kibitz the West hand. ->hunen: :) grizz: In each of the following hands, you are West defending a NT contract. grizz: You will lead a !s on each hand, following the rules above. Your partner will follow to the trick, using the rules we talked about in earlier sessions. analisals: how do you find a private mentor? grizz: ask maureen, or BILAssist grizz: Based on that limited information, I will ask questions about the unseen hands, and I invite you all to volunteer answers. grizz: These are the kinds of questions you should ask yourself every hand, until it becomes so habitual that you just know the answers without thinking. grizz: Ready? nedsr: y PedroG: yes, that was easy question cdt: they get harder grizz: lol wyoming33: :) analisals: lol grizz: Who has the K? nome: e PedroG: E cdt: south bluehi: s rq4mulae: S bwd1: S wyoming33: s nedsr: s grizz: South - partner would play it if he had it, with no honors in dummy. sharon J: s nome: E grizz: Who has the Q? LindaC107: declarer nome: S took it with K bluehi: s rq4mulae: S grizz: South - same reason cdt: s nome: E grizz: Who has the 9? bwd1: S j2l: s wyoming33: s nome: S grizz: South - partner would have played it otherwise. Partner always plays the lowest of equals, so will never have the card right below the one he plays. LindaC107: declarer nedsr: s rq4mulae: earlier you said play higher of equals against NT. clarify, please? PedroG: claim PedroG: :) grizz: oops ydannac: J denies lead PedroG: ty Pete :) gillyfleur: sry pete htg ~happily think have done this one in 2/1 bye for now nome: tricky S grizz: Who has the A? bwd1: S wyoming33: s xfco: e bluehi: s nedsr: s PedroG: s guyb2: s cdt: s rq4mulae: somethings wrong here. i see all 4 hands in the movie. :( LindaC107: declarer meshmeshaa: me tooo grizz: South - partner would play it if he had it, with no honors in dummy. nome: that is whyur answers were correct:) grizz: lol grizz: Who has the J? j2l: e PedroG: lol wyoming33: e bwd1: e LindaC107: east grizz: East - since South would have won the trick cheaply if possible. guyb2: e cdt: e cd PedroG: e bluehi: could be e grizz: Who has the 9? j2l: s loubel: p might bluehi: s guyb2: s PedroG: s LindaC107: s nedsr: s cdt: s r_pakker: sout grizz: South - partner would have played it otherwise. Same logic as last hand. analisals: e bluehi: claim rq4mulae: CLAIM wyoming33: lol PedroG: :) rq4mulae: :) grizz: thx :) meshmeshaa: int 14 points?? dae: weak NT? nome: E has J and T wyoming33: PLAYING 12/14 NT rq4mulae: prolly 14-17 grizz: focus on the leads, never mind the poor bidding by ops :) wyoming33: lol ok grizz: Who has the Q? Badmonster: p nedsr: e PedroG: e bluehi: s cdt: e r_pakker: east j2l: ? donsanders: e grizz: We can't tell for sure - partner could have the QJ, or South could be false carding with the KQ. LindaC107: east maybe guyb2: ? grizz: Who has the T? Badmonster: s j2l: s PedroG: s bluehi: s donsanders: s nedsr: s LindaC107: s guyb2: s grizz: South - partner always denies the card just below what he plays, since he will always play lower of equals. r_pakker: s rq4mulae: attaboy, Pete! grizz: :) grizz: leave me in coach, i'll get the hang of this! meshmeshaa->Club: is king lower of equals??? wyoming33: :) grizz: focus meshmeshaa: of course not rq4mulae: lol save those until you get 999 more. grizz: declarer can play anything he wants, he cannot mislead dummy grizz: the 'lower of equals' rule applies to 3rd hand nedsr->Club: ok Walddk2 (Broadcast): Our live vugraph broadcast from the United States Senior Championship is about to restart. Stage 2: Finals, Meltzer v Lynch, last 15 boards PedroG: I sometimes mislead the dummy, but my fault alone :) grizz: declarer is entitled to mislead ops :) sharon J: lol nome: I missed the fact that I could not tell where the Q was can u help pls donsanders->Club: yea, my dummy isn't very smart either grizz: defenders need to trust each other, but always be suspicious of declarer grizz: especially in the case of volunteered information BILAssist: !H grizz: if he doesn't follow suit, you can be pretty sure he's out, though :) nedsr: lol grizz: and that should firm up your count on the suit MaryRita: what hand are we watiching grizz: West, please donsanders: s has k9 grizz: pretend that you are the opening leader, and can see the West hand and dummy, and cards played by partner and South MaryRita: thx grizz: Who has the K? Old York: south has !SK AND !S9 nedsr: s PedroG: s grizz: Declarer, since partner didn't play it with no honors in dummy. bluehi: s cdt: s grizz: Who has the 9? nome: S cdt: s nedsr: s bluehi: s PedroG: s grizz: Also Declarer - partner didn't play it. Old York->Kibitzers: Who has the Joker and Bridge Score-Card? grizz: Who has the A? j2l: s guyb2: s nome: S cdt: s grizz: South bluehi: s MaryRita: s grizz: Who has the J? nedsr: s grizz: South guyb2: s keobuzz: don't know grizz: Who has the 8? donsanders: s guyb2: s dae: s PedroG: s bluehi: s grizz: South cdt: s grizz: See how much information we can gather from just Trick 1? kyno40: i think a fewpeople can see all cards :) trudean 24: how do u know S has 8? donsanders: e played 9 ->kyno40: y, that's ok, they will not get the full benefit of the lesson davesayc: 9 denies 8 grizz: East would play the lower of touching cards emmee: no lovely so how are you? trudean 24: ty nome: pls help again what should third hand do play the lowest winning card? in his hand? keobuzz: could e have the j, 10, and 9? j2l: w has 9 j2l: w has 10 -sorry donsanders: 1st rule - with no honor in dummy - 3rd plays highest honor grizz: right, with no honors in dummy East plays his highest card, or lowest of touching cards' donsanders: or highest card grizz: at Trick 1, lowest of touching cards nome: one teacher please grizz: rule might be different later in the hand keobuzz: what if e has only the 8 and 9? grizz: but at Trick 1, 3rd hand denies possession of the card just below the one he plays grizz: 8 davesayc: not hi-low? grizz: Don't get hung up on the exception in the first example hand, focus on standard rules first bluehi: k grizz: 3rd hand's duty at Trick 1 is to tell partner whether he has an honor, not to give count grizz: Now we are going to ask some additional questions. davesayc: ty grizz: Who has the K? j2l: ? nedsr: s dae: s scarlet310: s PedroG: s davesayc: right...but was asking about 98 doubleton grizz: South nome: is 9 the higest for W? grizz: 3rd hand plays lower of touching cards grizz: There are two ways for West to know that South has the K nome: 9-10-J? meshmeshaa: but j and 9mare not touching. south may win with th 10 PedroG: impossible it is on N kyno40: can see it in dummy PedroG: so touching for E grizz: If you were declarer, and you had Axx, would you win the A at Trick 1? meshmeshaa: what if w had it nome: make one mistake and the entire peanut gallery would laugh at u:):) davesayc: no, not in nt nedsr: n grizz: Right, declarer would hold up with only 1 stopper, in most cases nome: yes grizz: Who has the J? PedroG: E j2l: e grizz: Right nedsr: e Old York: E .... but not the 8 grizz: Who has the 8? PedroG: S davesayc: s nedsr: s guyb2: s j2l: s analisals: s cdt: s grizz: South grizz: How many !s does South have? grizz: South had at least the !SAK8 to start. grizz: How many !s does East have? meshmeshaa: at least 2 nedsr: 3-4 nome: these are all based on the fact that S did not have 5!Ss correct? grizz: You know that East had the J9 to start with. Old York: 1....!SJ wyoming33: 1 or 2 guyb2: 3 grizz: That accounts for all 13 of them, and they were precisely 5/3/2/3 around the table PedroG: interresting, thanks Pete :) grizz: Does everybody see that? nedsr: yes 3 Fazza: y sdunlavy: why do u know the J is in East donsanders: y analisals: that doesn't mean I can start from scratch and do it wyoming33: had 2 9/J ->sdunlavy: scroll up grizz: Next hand PedroG: claim PedroG: sorry grizz: You can't always get a good count at Trick 1, but sometimes you can, and it is a valuable habit to cultivate dae: no voids PedroG: I get all my op's and p saying I'm too slow :( analisals: me too grizz: You will get faster with practice davesayc: you're not alone perdo davesayc: pedro grizz: but never without it :( grizz: Who has the Q? dae: e or s j2l: e nome: i WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO PRCTICE CAN ANYONE HELP PLS Fazza: e analisals: e guyb2: e sharon J: e nedsr: e grizz: Partner - South would not waste the A if he had the Q analisals: we can do it o Gib i think Caitlin: yes make games with one another to practise:) bluehi: pull into teaching table and replay bluehi: the hands grizz: Excellent idea - the robots never complain if you stop to smell the flowers grizz: Who has the 9? j2l: s guyb2: s analisals: s dae: s grizz: South - otherwise East would have played it. nedsr: s Fazza: s Old York: Robots play 2/1 ?? grizz: What is the count on !s around the table? grizz: sure grizz: You are all old hands at counting distribution in your own hand - 4333, 4432, 5332, 5422 etc grizz: Counting out distribution around the table is the same. grizz: You start with your own hand and dummy, add information from partner's and declarer's play to Trick 1, and fill in the blanks. analisals: 4-3-2-3- grizz: You have 4, and dummy had 3, so start off 4/3/?? analisals: 4-3-3-3 Old York: spades are 4333....East has !SQ...contract 1 down if W has !DK grizz: As you narrow the possibilities on one suit, the range of possibilities for others suits gets smaller too. grizz: By Trick 4 or 5, you should have a pretty good idea of who has what and how many. davesayc: if you can hold that much info at once :( grizz: lol If it was easy, everybody could do it! bluehi: lol right grizz: Actually, everybody can! bluehi: with practice analisals: ifit was eacy we would be playing tiddily winks instead Old York: you get a new giant brain...free with bbo masterpoints grizz: I'll bet that most of you never suspected that all this thinking was going on while watching good players wyoming33: they do it automatically analisals: yes I suspected it but didin't have a clue as to what grizz: But this is what separates champions from the field davesayc: oh, I know the good ones do...and I'm always jealous davesayc: or envious grizz: The good ones have done it so long, that it takes a second or two only Dianne0516: They have computer brains :) analisals: I never see you guys waiting very long either so you must have years of practice- I won't live that long grizz: So I am teaching you how to think, and what to think about bluehi: yes trudean 24: awesome !!! grizz: :) grizz: It still takes work, but you have some guidance now nedsr: good grizz: Who has the K? nome: s BILManager (Lobby): => Club: !D!DGrizz's Pairs Tournament #1091 begins in about 15 mins. Pleae register to play for Fun, prizes $ and BBO Masterpoints. Check out the Partnership Desk if you need a partner!H!H donsanders: this is new? an honor in dummy j2l: ? cdt: we don't know grizz: yup, good catch Badmonster: Can't tell yet grizz: Can't say for sure - East would play the T from KTx, or from Tx or Txx bluehi: 5 grizz: Who has the 9? j2l: s davesayc: s guyb2: s nedsr: s cdt: s grizz: South - otherwise East would have played it. fwl: we know hor to think dont knowwhat to think? grizz: What is the count on !s around the table? grizz: Start with 4/3/1+/2+ analisals: 4-3-3-3? nome: why should e play the K he know his T would get the ace out mick357: trusted his p that he had the jack grizz: Who has the A? davesayc: s cdt: Partner could dae: E OR S grizz: Can't say for sure - East would play the J from AJx, or from Jx guyb2: ? Old York: nobody knows analisals: need to keep king for capturing n's queen grizz: With AJx, East would finesse the K in dummy mick357: east keeps the ace over the king grizz: Who has the 9? j2l: ? Old York: declarer should win with !SQ....hide the Ace? grizz: No way to know for sure here. davesayc: ? BILAssist->Kibitzers: !D!DYou can register for the tourney without leaving the lesson. Click on the tourney button at the right hand side of the chat window guyb2: ? grizz: If East had the AJx, and partner had the Qxxx, East must play the J grizz: otherwise ops win a K that they don't deserve grizz: East does not KNOW that partner has the Q grizz: But grizz: partner led low, and MIGHT grizz: Besides grizz: Even if South has it, the J is right grizz: Why? mick357: to cover the king grizz: Because if East plays the A, then declarer scores the K and Q separately grizz: winning 2!s trick mick357: yes maysie: W has T grizz: The finesse holds declarer to 1!s trick grizz: unless South has the QT xfco: yes grizz: and if South has the T, why did partner lead the suit??? grizz: What is the count on !s around the table? wyoming33: 43?? grizz: Start with 4/3/1+/2+ bluehi: s has 3 cdt: 4-3-1+ ? dae: 4 3 ? ? nome: 4333 grizz: And fill in the blanks during the play to the rest of the hand. Old York: if the 2 is 4th highest, then 4333 grizz: Wait BILManager (Lobby): => Club: !D!DGrizz's Pairs Tournament #1091 begins in about 5 mins. Pleae register to play for Fun, prizes $ and BBO Masterpoints. Check out the Partnership Desk if you need a partner!H!H grizz: Did anybody notice that South has a pretty chunky 1NT opener? davesayc: 2nt Old York: N/S grand slam on !H finesse grizz: There are some novice players who don't know a bigger bid than 1NT!!! grizz: So there lesson here is to trust your partner, not the ops grizz: Who has the K? analisals: s j2l: ? davesayc: ? dae: e OR S guyb2: ? nome: ???lead grizz: This is a trick question grizz: Partner - he can tell from your lead that you have nothing in the suit, and with J empty he would play low so you don't continue the suit later. grizz: Who has the T? davesayc: s guyb2: s grizz: South - otherwise East would have played it. PedroG: s grizz: What is the count on !s around the table? dae: why lead S? grizz: Why? because we are counting !s today :) bluehi: lol grizz: East had at least the KJ. davesayc: 2/3/1+/1+ j2l: 232+2+ grizz: South had at least the AT. davesayc: 2/3/2+/2+ grizz: Later play will clear up the mystery. grizz: That's enough, are there any questions? LadyStar17: hugs have to run and start the tournament great lesson!! Thanks ->LadyStar17: :) grizz: That concludes today's lesson, and next week we will continue to look at defensive signals. wyoming33: no and thanks very much :) donsanders: thanks Grizz, enjoyed but head spinning grizz: That concludes today's lesson, and next week we will continue to look at defensive signals. grizz: Remember, the rules are there for guidance, but they are no substitute for critical thinking and carefully applied bridge logic. Old York: anyone need a partner? fwl: TU Grizz UR Great Teash bluehi: thanks cdt: thanks for your time and interesting lesson :) doodadie: thanks grizz: Any suggestions for topics are welcome, please email me at Grizz@GrizzBridge.com. fwl: me? grizz: If anybody needs help retrieving the hand records or chat log, please email me at Grizz@GrizzBridge.com. grizz: I am also available for private, pair and small group lessons, you can email me at Grizz@GrizzBridge.com for more information. meshmeshaa: grizz any notes on bbo, that we can refer to?? grizz: Thanks for your interest and participation, and I hope to see you next week. grizz: Thanks also to Maureen, Fred and the wonderful people at BBO who make this all possible. grizz: One other thing Fazza: many thanks Pete, great lesson!! good night all:) rq4mulae: could you possibly bring up these T hands in a lesson? if so, i'll send you a copy if you don't kib it. Miksa: Thanks for the lesson, will be awake late again next Sat, for sure :) grizz: Nobody expects you to be able to do all this counting right now grizz: It will take a lot of practice davesayc->Kibitzers: p does grizz: But this is one of the things that separates the champions from the field meshmeshaa: any backup notes for ur lesson pleaseee grizz: Email me for hand records and chat log grizz: Thx all, seeya next week