grizz: hi Pedro, hi kibs grizz: is there anything you would like to work on? PedroG: defense grizz: ok, ready for some torture now? PedroG: suit preference grizz: ok, i'll look for some defense hands grizz: first of all, let me say that the bidding was something well beyond optimistic grizz: approaching delusional grizz: but it actually happened at the table, names will be withheld to protect the innocent PedroG: 2 higher in declarer hand grizz: right, rule of 11 PedroG: I play Q here to show doubleton grizz: ok, that is a 'red flag' signal grizz: since normally as defender you win with the lower of equals PedroG: can u explain grizz: if you win the higher of equals and then continue, it tells partner that you started with a doubleton grizz: which gives him immediate count on that suit, so he can work out the others PedroG: and the lead will go where I want it too grizz: at the table N did not overtake grizz: but missed an opportunity for a suit preference signal, so i'll back it up grizz: you know now that N is long in !d grizz: and N can now tell where his entry is PedroG: so here N is in position to give suit preference, due to the doubleton grizz: a low !d would show an entry in !c grizz: a high one in !s grizz: and a middle one in !h PedroG: so the 5 would be !c grizz: right PedroG: for sure PedroG: middle PedroG: !h grizz: right again :) PedroG: no honor PedroG: was 8 enough on that? grizz: true - i would trust the 8 to send that message, the T might be a 3rd round winner PedroG: yep grizz: question now: PedroG: yep grizz: cash out the !c, or lead !h? grizz: here is the thought process grizz: the !hs in dummy will not run, N has shown a !h entry grizz: W has long !cs, so your !c tricks won't go away grizz: and you may need to get in twice for !h leads PedroG: so just put up the !h grizz: also, if you cash out !cs, that sets up length winners for declarer grizz: yup grizz: and science backs up the decision PedroG: the T would be nice to have now :) grizz: :) grizz: now grizz: if North had overtaken the !D early and knocked out the A, the !ds would run grizz: but now they don't grizz: let's see how some other lines of defense might work PedroG: oki PedroG: Q here Pete grizz: sure grizz: T suggests a !s card PedroG: !s grizz: excellent lead! PedroG: the 3 would not send the message I want PedroG: std signals PedroG: :) PedroG: Do u know what does GIB play, std or UDCA? grizz: not sure grizz: but i'm playing 3 hands today PedroG: :) grizz: do you play udca? PedroG: no PedroG: I want to get std down correct to start thinking on it grizz: good plan grizz: last !s is good PedroG: and now back to H grizz: !S2 is a winner! PedroG: :( grizz: yikes! PedroG->Club: my counting capabalities still in their young age grizz: terrible auction, but great defense this time PedroG: yep grizz: so notice a couple things grizz: your lead at Trick 3 determines whether it goes down 1 or 5!!! grizz: and the N signal at Trick 2 determines what you lead at Trick 3 PedroG: ok grizz: one other possible line of defense has N overtaking the !DQ and clearing the suit grizz: but then N has no clear direction for continuation grizz: let's try that variation PedroG: ok grizz: lol grizz: problem now grizz: that was a Lightner double, asking for an unusual lead grizz: almost commanding a !h lead grizz: dummy's first bid suit PedroG: not that intention grizz: right, i know that, and you know that, but North may not know that! PedroG: can u explain it futher plz, I made it like a joke grizz: lol i got it, but another good teaching point Dianne0516: Grizz--if you had doubled, would it be west's first bid suit? grizz: there are lots of different kinds of doubles PedroG: yes that's why I was asking grizz: to answer Dianne first, if N doubles it's penalty - he is on lead, so doesn't need the X to direct the lead grizz: S may have a penalty double, but partner is entitled to assume that it is a Lightner double - hang on, i'll get a website for you on it: bluehi: so that would mean a club lead bluehi: ok grizz: here is one citation: http://homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/Doubles/LightnerDouble.html PedroG: !h I think bluehi: yes 1st bid suit ok grizz: notice that it was developed for use against slams, but many players use it against games too grizz: http://www.bridgehands.com/L/Lightner_Double.htm grizz: http://www.geocities.com/liensky/lightex.htm PedroG: oki I will read it, first time I see this grizz: North would be entitled to think that S had something like ATxx and side values grizz: so if NS played Lightner, then N would lead the !HQ grizz: but let's just assume that the X was for penalty PedroG: :) grizz: what to pitch? PedroG: question here grizz: fire away PedroG: I don't want to give up a club grizz: good PedroG: but any other suit will be attitute right grizz: depends on what card you play in that suit grizz: and here is another consideration grizz: other things being equal, you should keep the same length as dummy in dummy's longest suit PedroG: is the "!h attittude toward !H grizz: right grizz: but your !h suit is short, !hT is probably worthless, and !s length might be winners grizz: so !h2 is perfect grizz: denying a !h card, but suggesting something in !s PedroG: this is the one I like less grizz: :) grizz: another principle comes into play here grizz: on declarer's lead, defenders give count grizz: Attitude on partner's lead, Count on declarer's lead grizz: and according to BWS, that count refers to your "remaining count", not what you started with PedroG: so I'm starting the echo with the 8 PedroG: ahhh PedroG: :( grizz: so the correct count signal here would be the T grizz: minor issue :) PedroG: I was doing it to original count grizz: makes no difference on this hand, but that is the bedrock principle on Count signals PedroG: but actual it's easier grizz: yes, far less memory work involved grizz: positive !s signal bluehi: what makes it a sp signal grizz: we play standard signals bluehi: yes grizz: the 4 would be discouraging PedroG: hi encourages bluehi: ok grizz: y, and the 6 was the highest N could afford to play - the 9 might give up a trick grizz: in this layout, the 9 WOULD give up a trick to the 8 bluehi: i gfet the attitude and the suit preference mixed up grizz: have you kept track of the !ss? beryl8: gtg...tu! PedroG: :( grizz: if not, you know that W still has the !CJ, so your !cs don't count for much ->beryl8: :) PedroG: yes that I know PedroG: and that u void on them sheshader1: Great lessons many thanks ->sheshader1: :) grizz: nice score!!! PedroG: hehe grizz: 250 was 5.9 imps! PedroG: why don't I defende like that always grizz: so 1100 was probably 14 or so PedroG: :) grizz: well, for one thing, you can't rely on ops to bid like crazy grizz: put a few of those North points in the W hand and it makes easily PedroG: and still need to refine defense with pd grizz: right grizz: there are opportunities for lead direction, suit preference and count all throughout the play grizz: so having given one signal, look for opportunities to give others PedroG: the problem is to keep track of them all, count , shape , and a million more stuff grizz: and watch for opportunities for pd to give them to you too PedroG: :) grizz: yup, it's a complex game, lots of things to keep track of grizz: and that's why it keeps smart people amused for a lifetime :) PedroG: yes, that make it interresting too norrito1: & me for 2lifetimes grizz: ok, i need to grab a quick bit before resuming, any questions before i leave? PedroG: TY a lot Pete PedroG: Norrie did u saw grizz: sorry about missing the last 2 weeks, i hope to see you next week at the regular time norrito1: I SAW PEDRO !H rutyk: Thanks a lot Pete and Pedro great lesson PedroG: yeah NP my friend, never a rush u know that grizz: thx kibs, great questions PedroG: :) ty all for coming norrito1: Tks Pete & Pedro for letting us Kib grizz: thx for watching, and i hope to see you all next week PedroG: go take the notes at Pete site grizz: bye now Dianne0516: thanks Pete grizz: YES! wyoming33: thanks Pete - PedroG: www.grizzbridge.com PedroG: sorry grizz: hand records and chat logs are now posted at GrizzBridge.com grizz: which Pedro has been so kind as to work with me to get it up and running PedroG: I will this week for sure start making some movies for Pete site grizz: cool! grizz: so drop by and see what's new at GrizzBridge.com PedroG: we just need to get a decent tool to make it grizz: thx all, bye now