PedroG: Hi Pete
grizz: hiya!
PedroG: :) how are u Pete?
grizz: i'm coffeed up now, and good for another couple hours    lol
grizz: welcome kibs
Alexanm: Hi Pete I am new to BIL can I play?
grizz: this is a private lesson for Pedro, but all are welcome to watch
grizz: questions are ok too, long as you respect that it's Pedro's lesson
grizz: i'm teaching him bridge, and he's teaching me website design    :)
ddt135: Thank you Pete.  Thank you Pedro.
PedroG: :) it's a wonderfull deal for me :)
PedroG: got the best teacher :)
grizz: and for me!   :)
grizz: it's truly a  win-win
PedroG: well about those text on the stardard defense of Bridge World 
grizz: oops - http://homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/BGlossary/BridgeWorldDefense.html
PedroG: yes those one
grizz: ok, specific questions?
PedroG: not specific :)
grizz: ok, i will cut and paste to chat, stop me when we need to discuss
grizz: 1. Opening Leads
grizz: A. Against Suit Contracts
grizz: 1. Honor Leads
grizz: King from Ace-King;
grizz:  otherwise, top from a sequence;
grizz:  highest equal from an interior sequence
PedroG: stop
grizz: y
PedroG: well here the interior seq would be only 2 cards right
PedroG: AJT
PedroG: or not the A
grizz: y
PedroG: to not underlead it
grizz: vs. NT, interior sequence is 3+ long
grizz: and should be vs. suit too
grizz: though the 3rd card can miss by just one spot
PedroG: oki
grizz: so AJT9x is interior sequence of JT9
grizz: and AJT8x misses by only 1 spot
grizz: so misses the 9, which could be in pd's hand or rho
grizz: so in 2 cases out of 3 there is no harm
grizz: if lho has the 9, you might give up a trick
grizz: here is the logic of leading interior sequence:
grizz: give up a trick now to set up one or more for later
PedroG: even at suit
grizz: if you have the AJT9x, pd might have the K
grizz: or rho could have the KQ
grizz: and might win the first trick, but when pd gets in later he can lead through the remaining honor
grizz: y, works vs. suits same as vs NT
grizz: except you don't expect as many length winners vs suit
PedroG: oki
grizz: now, the K from AK
grizz: this has long been standard practice in SAYC
PedroG: yes and the AKxx
grizz: first of all, if you are on opening lead and have a suit headed by the AK, 99% of the time it's right to lead that suit
PedroG: the A
grizz: there should be some very compelling reason NOT to lead from that holding
grizz: so the question is, lead the A or K?
grizz: and here is the controversy
grizz: since you would lead the K from KQ OR AK, how does pd know which it is?
grizz: unless the missing honor is visible in his hand or dummy
grizz: so many experts play A from AK, to clear up that situation
grizz: either is fine, as long as pd agrees
grizz: i have a 3rd treatment, and you can accept or reject
PedroG: when u syaing Ak is like it was doubleton right
grizz: could be, or AKx, or AKxx, or AKxxx
PedroG: oki
grizz: same problem, regardless of length
grizz: or the A?
grizz: question for 3rd hand is:
grizz: does pd have the Q, or the A?
grizz: if pd does not have the J, and signals for continuation, then leader is leading right into the AJ tenace in declarer's hand
grizz: so lead of the A prevents that confusion
grizz: since one would never lead the A from Axxx or Axx, the A guarantees the K
grizz: A from Axx or Axxx is guaranteed to catch air, not ops' honors
grizz: back to my 3rd treatment
grizz: i lead A when asking pd for count
grizz: or to unblock the Q vs NT, such as from AKJTx
grizz: or the K when requesting an attitude signal
grizz: such as when wondering whether i can underlead for a ruff
grizz: hard to visualize that with no cards to look at, sry
grizz: i will work on a lesson that has example hands
PedroG: oki ty Pete
grizz: ok, to continue?
PedroG: yep
grizz: 2. Spot-Card Leads
grizz: still vs suits
grizz: third highest from even length;
grizz:  lowest from odd length
PedroG: 3/5th leads right
grizz: this is much different from standard methods
grizz: y
PedroG: well I use it in local club :)
grizz: y, BW calls for 3ELO vs suits and 4th vs NT
grizz: sidebar on 4th vs. 3/5
grizz: a long time ago Eddie Kantar wrote an article about 3/5 leads, with lots of examples from world class competition
grizz: explaining how and why 3/5 was better
grizz: the crowd went 'ooh', 'aah', and 'that explains everything!'
grizz: next month he wrote another article
grizz: same length, same number of examples
grizz: explaining why 4th leads were best!
grizz: Mike Lawrence says 3/5 has a very small advantage, but it's so small as to be negligible for most players
grizz: i like 2/4, less memory work - no difference between suits and nt
grizz: only critically important thing is that you and pd agree!
PedroG: so use both 2/4 vs NT and suit (I like that ideia)
grizz: another side issue - the reason that experts like 3/5 is that they know a lot more about a hand by getting a read on distribution than intermediates do
grizz: intermediates need to know where the big cards are
grizz: and 4th best works just as well for that
PedroG: rule of 11
grizz: 4th from honor, and Rule of 11 applies
grizz: or 2nd highest from 4 small
grizz: e.g.   9753 lead the 7
grizz: to show pd that you have length but no strength, so unless pd has face cards he should look elsewhere for tricks
PedroG: yep
grizz: so i recommend 2/4 vs. suits and NT until at least advanced level
PedroG: ok
grizz: so you can concentrate on counting, card combinations, signals, etc.
grizz: and then work on the nuances of counting with 3/5 when the fundamentals are solid
grizz: and you don't have to think about so much all at the same time
PedroG: does the support of partner's suit means changes on any of this?
grizz: depends whether you have bid it
grizz: if so, lead the top card from any number
grizz: pd will assume you have at least 3
PedroG: even if a honor?
grizz: otherwise he will assume stiff or top of doubleton
grizz: y, particularly so
grizz: 1.  it may drive out an honor from ops
grizz: 2.  will show him what combined partnership assets are in that suit
grizz: 3.  which allows him to make deductions about partnership assets in other suits
grizz: so if you have Jx in pd's bid suit, go ahead and lead it
grizz: might drive out A, K or Q
grizz: without wasting an honor from the long hand
grizz: also prevents blockage in the short hand
grizz: even Qx or Kx
grizz: lead the honor, and use the spot card for transportation later
grizz: back to pd's hand to cash the winners
PedroG: :)
grizz: if you have not bid pd's suit, then default to general rules
grizz: continue?
PedroG: yep
grizz: 3. Alarm-Clock Leads (to suggest an unusual situation, such as a ruff possibility)
grizz: example
grizz: you have KQ tight
grizz: pd leads the suit
grizz: ordinarily you win (or cover) with the lowest of equals
grizz: with doubleton, you reverse that
grizz: and pd will know that something unusual is up
grizz: precisely that you have doubleton, and can ruff the 3rd round
PedroG: oki
grizz: fourth highest from five or six cards;
PedroG: isn't that normal 4th ?
grizz: this is still BWS, 3/5th
PedroG: let skip this one because your advise
grizz: and i don't understand the difference, so won't begin to explain it
PedroG: yep
grizz: could be typo
PedroG: :)
grizz:  fifth highest from seven cards
grizz: i don't pretend to understand this one either!
PedroG: :)
grizz: btw, all these leads are Opening Lead only!
PedroG: let's skip lead :) I think I got a pretty good on those
grizz: for Tricks 2-13, the rules are different and much simpler
grizz: low from interest
grizz: high denies interest
grizz: and both signals override the opening lead and the bidding
PedroG: yep
grizz: B. Against No Trump Contracts
grizz: 1. Honor Leads
grizz: Ace requests unblock or count signal;
grizz: would only lead that from AKJT(x)(x)
grizz: and tells pd that the suit will run when the Q drops
PedroG: oki
grizz: so pd must drop the Q if he has it
grizz: or give count otherwise
grizz: so pd knows how many rounds it will take to drop the Q in declarer's hand
grizz:  Queen requests Jack;
grizz: such as from  KQT9x(x)
grizz: again, the suit will run once the A and J are accounted for
grizz: and pd does not have to keep the J to protect the suit
grizz: so pd should drop the J at Trick 1 if he has it
grizz: looks good on paper, but most folks forget all about it at the table
PedroG: yep what I was about to ask
grizz:  highest equal from non-Ace sequences and interior sequences
grizz: like KQJx, JT9x
grizz: or KJT9x
grizz: etc
PedroG: so from AKQx u lead K?
grizz: i would lead the A from that
grizz: guaranteeing the K, and the Q is a bonus
PedroG: ok
grizz: notice, BWS does NOT subscribe to Coded 9 and T
PedroG: yep I saw that
grizz: 2. Spot-Card Leads
grizz: fourth highest;
grizz: even BW subscribes to 4th best vs. NT
grizz: so the Rule of 11 applies
grizz: btw, using 3/5th you use the Rule of 10 or 12
grizz: and take your best guess
grizz: i hate that much uncertainty!
PedroG: :)
grizz:  second highest from weak suits
grizz: so 7 from 9732
PedroG: like we discussed for suit
grizz: or 5 from 8532
grizz: right
grizz: the 8 or 9 might be a 3rd or 4th round winner at NT
grizz: so you don't waste it for a signal
grizz: if you have 9432 the 4 may be ambiguous
grizz: oh well, it is an imperfect universe    :)
wyoming33: earlier said to lead 4th
->wyoming33: from honor, yes - not from 4 small
grizz: at the risk of repetition, here is the logic of 2nd highest from 4 small
grizz: pd is on notice that leader has length, but not strength
grizz: and if pd does not have face cards, look for tricks elsewhere
grizz: sure
PedroG: that was very nice, just one last question
grizz: sure
PedroG: if u have pick-up partner how good are this direction?
PedroG: will they known them? how can we put it on profile
grizz: BWS is the current standard for expert play, absent partnership agreement that could differ
grizz: i suspect that less than 1% of bbo players even know about BWS
PedroG: well :)
PedroG: just funny story yesterday
grizz: some of us have it on our profiles
PedroG: I sometime play along with Grasti a BIL member too
PedroG: again a Advanced partnership
PedroG: I open 1!h
PedroG: overcall by 2NT
PedroG: I asked is it Unusual
PedroG: answer , what is unusual
grizz: rofl!
grizz: advanced???     
PedroG: yep both
PedroG: and yet banged us for having Novice and Beginner on our ptofiles
grizz: lol
grizz: i suspect you knew more than they did
PedroG: And I don't known much :)
grizz: one of the problems with self-rating on bbo
grizz: still, i like it better than OK Bridge
PedroG: never played on OKb
PedroG: BBO is wonderfull
grizz: because on OKB you carry a Lehman rating on your profile
PedroG: Lehman?
grizz: that depends on your performance
grizz: big is good
grizz: little is not
PedroG: ok
grizz: and OKB calculates it for you automatically
grizz: therefore
grizz: if a good player helps a not-so-good player to progress, his Lehman rating suffers
grizz: therefore
grizz: good players are disincentivized from helping others improve
grizz: and that's a Bad Thing
PedroG: yep I see that, and also on pickup partnership is difficult
grizz: y
grizz: no system is perfect, but the bbo system has created a lot more improvement in the level of play all around the world
PedroG: I just wish that people regarded their self classification a bit better
grizz: y, rating inflation is rampant
PedroG: and also that advanced player didn't look down on a player just because he has Novice on his profile
grizz: partly because int- have trouble finding games
PedroG: Well good player will never, that is my attitude 
grizz: but the BIL provides classes, mentors so players can advance a full level in just 6 months
grizz: instead of 6 years, like it used to be 
grizz: ok amigo, your bid
PedroG: yes
PedroG: BIL is great :)
grizz: :)   on many levels
grizz: let me ask the kibs - should North take action here?
grizz: assume that NS play neg X through 3!D
gaygirl: i wouldnt!
anegada: s shld bid
highhighhi: no - min hand
grizz: no, S has a mini
grizz: !h support, but only 6 hcp and 9 losers
highhighhi: min opener
PedroG: 6 pts I like my support but not enough for 4
grizz: the preempt did not improve the hand
wyoming33: think not - too bad
grizz: right
grizz: also
anegada: ok
grizz: in an auction like this, W often has the best hand at the table!
grizz: just waiting to double off a rash rebid
grizz: with 16+ or so, N might X
grizz: but not with a minimum
grizz: question from kibs
grizz: 2 is a suit preference signal in case you ever get in   :)
PedroG: for !D
gaygirl: what does that mean please
grizz: lower side suit, !c
PedroG: I thought lower suit
grizz: low card = lower side suit
grizz: high card = higher side suit
JanaDe: Pete, does GIB take signalling into account?
grizz: it should, yes
PedroG: I can try explain what I understood
grizz: ok, go
grizz: if you can teach it, then you fully understand it
PedroG: three suits left
PedroG: we playing on !h
PedroG: two left
PedroG: lower of those two higher of those two
grizz: disregard trumps for purposes of suit preference signals
PedroG: yep :)
PedroG: Q?
grizz: y?
PedroG: you knew it would be ruff, so that's why it was suit pref signal right
grizz: right
grizz: more theory
grizz: there are only 3 kinds of signals
grizz: Attitude
grizz: Count
grizz: Suit preference
grizz: any given signal can only be one of those, not 2 or all 3
grizz: so a signal cannot be both a discouraging attitude signal and suit preference at the same time
grizz: not possible
grizz: except by coincidence
grizz: but that is a case where the signal would surely be suit preference, when leader knows the trick will be ruffed
grizz: he takes the opportunity to tell pd where his honors are
grizz: so pd won't go looking for tricks elsewhere
grizz: next hand?
PedroG: y
PedroG: :) TY Pete
grizz: :)
grizz: questions from kibs are fine, as long as they don't bog down the lesson   :)
grizz: lol     nice overcall!
grizz: interesting high level decision here
grizz: the general rule is this:
grizz: when our side has opened the bidding and bid to game, ops may NOT play undoubled
grizz: we either compete or X
grizz: and if opener passes, it's forcing - he doesn't know which to do, and asks for pd's opinion on the matter
PedroG: oki
grizz: but we don't have that case here
grizz: we did not bid to game
grizz: so that rule does not apply
grizz: 2!h was a minimum bid
grizz: so your pass was not forcing
grizz: and i don't have to X
grizz: BW has a statement on that subject too:
grizz: Doubles subject to no explicit agreement:
grizz: (a) [default]
grizz: when a pass would be forcing, a double discourages further offensive bidding
grizz: here a pass is NOT forcing, so you may take no such inference
grizz: K shows a solid suit once the AJ are played
grizz: hmmm    what to do now?
PedroG: yep :)
grizz: don't lead from that !d combination
PedroG: maybe a ruff in clubs
grizz: maybe
PedroG: 10 cards
grizz: yup
grizz: another consideration
PedroG: don't giving him nothing he doesn't have already
grizz: that !c suit is almost locked and loaded
grizz: and will give plenty of discards once established
grizz: and there are trumps in dummy for entries
PedroG: force him to ruff
grizz: so any tricks we might have will go away
grizz: flip a coin on !DA vs. !c ruff
grizz: but !h lead gives up
PedroG: stick with my original feeling
grizz: !!
grizz: no defense to that one
grizz: we did well to prevent the overtrick, nice !c lead
Wayne_LV: good safety play by Gib on !c
grizz: unnecessary - take top 2, ruff out losers
grizz: use !s for entries, makes 5 all day long
PedroG: yep
PedroG: I was hoping for a reverse club distrib :)
grizz: y, good plan
PedroG: Yes
norrito1: k
PedroG: yep
grizz: when on defense, try to visualize a position that will allow a set
grizz: ok, that's it for today, thx kibs, seeya next week   :)
PedroG: TY All
wyoming33: thx :)
Campus61: tks pete
JanaDe: Pete, if you were GIB E, would you have overcalled your 1H bid?
->Campus61: :)
grizz: no way!
grizz: terrible call
grizz: happened to work out ok here
JanaDe: lol
grizz: :)
grizz: adios a todos